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Old 09-03-2012, 10:17 PM   #29
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As one who lives in a semi rural area I see the end product of the 'it's harmless' school of thought. It's not harmless when someone dumps a lold of crap on YOUR property or in your neighborhood.

I've seen someone dump their black tank IN the campground! On purpose! We heard the CHP chased him down and arrested him.
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What if you're on a long trip and suddenly realize your black tank (or gray) tank needs dumping? They can't hold another drop. Say you're out in the AZ desert someplace or miles from anywhere in the wheat fields of Kansas. What do you do? How do you get them emptied when you don't know the area or where the nearest dump-station is... or the nearest you can find is many miles away? Or worse yet, you can't even get a signal on your mifi to look for a place?

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1. Find a desolate area and dump them knowing it not likely anyone would ever walk over the spot.
2. Haul them around full and use the weeds at the side of the road to relieve yourself.
3. Desperately hope there's a town close enough down the road before you explode.
Grey tank in the desert, dump it slowly. When it's empty equalize the black tank into the empty grey tank and then find a dump station. Doing it this way you buy yourself a couple of days.
If there is an environmentalist in the area have him hold the hose as you dump.
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As one who lives in a semi rural area I see the end product of the 'it's harmless' school of thought. It's not harmless when someone dumps a lold of crap on YOUR property or in your neighborhood.

I've seen someone dump their black tank IN the campground! On purpose! We heard the CHP chased him down and arrested him.
That would never be acceptable...
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Actually during long cross country trips, in remote areas, it can be very difficult (very, very difficult) to find dumping locations. Especially when there are 6 people using the facilities. In my experience 6 people can fill a tank in a little over a day. Our last trip had 8 in the coach. I've been known to drive over 40 hrs. non-stop to our next location and a black tank can easily be filled in that time.
I'm guessing the folks who say poor planning are couples, not families. I believe every Interstate rest stop should have a dump station and water fill, currently they are few and far between.
Let's use some math and logic to examine and refute your claim of how it's "very, very difficult" to find a dump station. If you mean finding a dump station that is 500 feet off the interstate and is free, then I agree, otherwise, I'd have to say that's BS. Using a conservative 40 MPH average, you would travel 1600 miles in one of your 40 hour driving marathons. I would be hard press to believe that there's no campground, Cabela's, or state/federal dumping facility in that many miles. I'm extremely confident that I can find you a dump station enroute on your next trip...
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Full grey dump it, full black dump the grey to make room for black.

Why AZ
Huh? If my gray tank is dumped the black water wont enter it. The BW tank would still be full.
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I wonder if we would ever be that far away from finding a dump station? Seems like with a little planning one wouldn't encounter that problem.
What kind of planning when you're meandering around the country? And yes, they can be many many miles apart, if you can find one at all when far from cities or large towns.

Right on the built up east coast you can go many miles before you even find a truck stop, no less a dump station.
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Dig a small hole then cover it up
It takes more than a small hole for 37G of sewerage.
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You didn't say what year you were hypothetically talking of, but assuming it's 2012, I'd get out my cell phone and call a friend who had access to wifi and find out how near the nearest town or dump station was. If no cell signal, then I'd pick option #1, dump it in a desolate area, but not the whole gray and black tanks. I'd probably only dump enough to hold out till the next dump station. I mean, really folks, there's animal waste everywhere .... we're just talking a little more.

We have both cell phones and Verizon mifi and I can tell you there are still plenty of places where you can't get a signal.
If I was going to dump. I'd dump both until emptied. What's the difference between 40g of sewerage and 80gs?
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Sounds like poor planning to me. You should know where dump stations are before you need them. This is easy info to find on the internet before you even venture forth.
Really? How do YOU do that when you plan to meander here, there, and everywhere on a cross-country trip? When you don't want to be regimented and forced to take routes you don't want to take? We have to dump every 6 to 7 days if we don't use the shower. We'll have no idea where we'll be 7 days from home. Or 7 days from THAT point.

Are you saying there are Dump stations everywhere? Have you ever traveled the back-roads of America? Gotten off the tourist track? I can guarantee you you will be lucky to find them hundreds of miles apart in some areas, especially off the boring tourist track.

If your tanks are full, the odor is increasing or the sewerage is starting to back up, and the next Dump is 12 hours away.... you'll consider dumping in a remote area.
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I would take option 1. I have never had to do that. Sometimes we have to make an intelligent decision when we don't want to. Considering all things, I would feel that I had taken the right option.
Me too. Twice in my lifetime the owner of the RV had to make that decision because he felt it was becoming a health hazard for the people on the trip. After all, those exposed to leaking sewerage and escaping odors have to be considered also. And defecating and urinating along the roadsides isn't exactly sanitary anyway. Miles from anywhere out in the desert, he drove off the road for several hundred feet, and to everyone great relief, dumped the tanks. Another time, a similar situation but on the east coast, the driver pulled down an old logging road and dumped in the forest. So far, with all our travels being on the eastern side of the country where it's more build up we haven't faced this situation as yet. But when we head west in the next year, I can see it happening.
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You'd probably be violating a load (no pun intended) of environmental laws by dumping the black tank in the desert. However, I'd probably do it if forced by the situation.
You would. I can guarantee it. Until you have several passengers and tanks full to the brim. You will look for a spot. Unless someone is using some chemical like Formaldehyde in the their tanks, the waste is no worse than the smelly piles of cow flop and roadkill seen all over the desert. What is think is really wrong is dumping right near the road in an emergency. I feel it's better, if possible, to get off the road and away from it as far as safely possible. That may be hard to do with a TT or 5th wheel.

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If the spirit and intent of the laws is to reduce man's impact on the environment, as I believe them to be, I try to reduce my footprint along with everyone else. I also believe that one dumping out of, for sake or argument, 1000 tanks that were properly disposed of, would be a minimal impact on the environment. I would dig a hole and dump only as much black water as needed to to get myself out of the predicament.
There is little difference if you dump 30gs or 60s.
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I make a point of knowing where to dump and occasionally visiting dump stations BEFORE the tank explodes on me. There is a web page that helps. RVSaniDumps or RV Dump Stations - Home
This site will be helpful when there's a mifi signal.

Dumping before they're full helps, but we've never had the gauges to work for us so can't always tell. If we can find a dump station every 6 days, we should be OK. Showers can be had in truck stops and the weekly night in a campground if one is handy. I'm not really anticipating an emergency situation - more wondering what everyone else would do.
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I would "dump" my grey. The black would go into my blue boy, that normally travels empty.
You can't drag a full BlueBoy for a hundreds of miles.
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