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08-10-2012, 10:03 PM
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Senior Member
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Originally Posted by Mr_D
Michelin says not to use anything but soap, water and a brush in their RV Tire manual. Not even their tire dressing now.
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Originally Posted by clyon51
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And what I posted is funny why?
It's exactly what Michelin says in their RV Tire Guide.
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08-10-2012, 10:38 PM
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#30
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Because 303 probably told them to stop re-badging their product with the Michelin label on it and soap and water was all they could recommend.
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08-11-2012, 10:13 AM
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Originally Posted by freebirdbus
So I ask again, Tireman9, are you saying that none of the tire dressing products you are "testing" on your "RV Tire Safety blog" contain petroleum distillates?
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Nope. Never said any such thing. I, as many of us have, have read of the warning against petroleum distillates and wanted to see what might happen and if degradation of the sidewall was easily visible.
I know that unless you have some variation in your test subjects there is no way to know if your test methods are sensitive enough.
Only possible negative I have seen so far is the rainbow effect of oil and wax being washed off the sidewall when one of the dressings was applied. I will leave it up to others to decide if the test subjects deliver the "look" they want.
If and when I can see some clear negative result I will post those observations. The test has been underway for over a year and I expect to continue for at least another year.
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08-11-2012, 03:59 PM
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#32
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Flim-Flam
Ok Tiredude, so that I understand the facts.....
Your response to a question on August 3, 2012 about using tire dressings on your "RV Tire Safety" blog, is NOT to respond to with what the tire manufactures recommend, but to take a junk SUV tire that has been "left outside for over a year", not wash it, and use tire dressings on it, some with petroleum distillates in them. You caution readers there not to " complain that I didn't include your choice you need to remember I have no budget for running tests" and tell them "I am not sure of the actual chemistry for any of the numerous products BUT I will offer some general guidelines for selecting a product."
When repeatedly asked about it, your story changes. Answering that blog question and making a product recommendation is now replaced with "I will leave it up to others to decide if the test subjects deliver the "look" they want.".
The "I decided to run a small sample test" in August becomes a "test running for over a year".
The original "I was asked for recommendations on which tire dressing to use" is now replaced with "wanted to see what might happen and if degradation of the sidewall was easily visible".
Why not give the tire manufacture's recommendations as an answer on your blog?
The only rainbow I am seeing is someone's true colors.
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08-11-2012, 05:28 PM
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08-11-2012, 08:49 PM
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I keep telling you guys,-----slather the tire sidewalls with Extra Virgin olive oil. It is important to use only Extra Virgin. Hey, works for me, and my tires smell good, as an extra added benefit. Look like new and smell good too-----how can you go wrong with this method?
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08-12-2012, 07:55 AM
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I could of emailed you my G670 19.5s. They were only 8 years old and 15K on them. They would have fit your 22.5 rims. Really. You could have used a little of your snake oil.
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08-12-2012, 08:22 AM
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well, having bought some protect-all rubber roof treatment after doing the roof i put some on the tires and it seems to do ok
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08-12-2012, 11:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Marble Head
lol Snake oil wouldn't do it. I don't think it is slick enuf. There used to be cautions about putting 14" or 16" tires on 14.5 or 16.5" rims but I and a lot of people dun it for a long time and it works ok. Does it take a lot of air to get them to seat the beads?
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I used to manage a corporate owned Firestone Service Center. One of my tire techs, trying to make a few bucks on the side, brought in a 16in tire and 16.5in rim from a friend and proceeded to mount the two. The resulting explosion as the bead broke loose sent him into the ceiling of the shop. He put a dent in a 15 ft ceiling. He broke many bones and spent many weeks in the hospital and his face looks a little different than it used to.
I would not advise ever putting tires on the wrong size rim. It may have worked in the past, but one of these days it won't, with grave concequences.
On a sidenote... He then sued Firestone for negligence, even though he broke company rules and brought in a tire from home and didn't inform management what he was doing, and won well over 100k. He quickly blew the money on partying and drugs and is now partially crippled and living off disability.
If you continue to put tires on the wrong rims, at least make sure your will is up to date before you do so.
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08-12-2012, 01:36 PM
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The only .5 rims I have ever had are the 19.5s on my MH.
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08-12-2012, 01:43 PM
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I've only used 303 Protectant on ours.
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08-12-2012, 01:53 PM
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As far as I know, there is nothing like 303.
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08-12-2012, 11:52 PM
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X2!!
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08-13-2012, 01:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunner
As far as I know, there is nothing like 303.
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I have used that intermittently before. Otherwise just have washed the tires when I wash the coach, both with a mild soap solution.
Is that the general tire care/dressing consensus here? Thanks all
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