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This may be a viable option for folks that do allot of boon docking and want the benefits of a cooler interior. Information only--I'm not affiliated with the company.
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Webasto's NiteCool System Uses No Fuel, No Idling
4/3/2007
The latest technology from Webasto to address rising fuel costs and anti-idling legislation is the NiteCool TCC-100 truck cabin cooler.
Using the fundamental, scientific principles of heat extraction through water evaporation, Webasto's NiteCool (Non-Idling Technology-Evaporative-Cooler) initially draws warm air in from outside the cabin. The air then circulates through a pre-cooling chamber and is further cooled when the warm air molecules naturally try to evaporate water from the unit's seven-gallon water tank.
The evaporation process causes the remaining air molecules to be cooler, which are then circulated into the truck cabin to reduce the interior temperature. Unlike other product options on the market, including some from Webasto, the NiteCool TCC-100 system does not use any fuel and produces zero emissions.
Early testing of the unit shows that when the outside air has 40 percent relative humidity and is 86 degrees Fahrenheit, the NiteCool TCC-100 will put 72.5-degree air into the cabin. In the same example, when the outside temperature is 95 degrees, the air going through the evaporative system will come out at 79.8 degrees. Varying temperatures and humidity levels will produce different air temperature outputs.
Reid Landis, Webasto marketing specialist, said, "Using the evaporation method creates a product design that does not use any fuel, thus it produces zero emissions, and it allows for a unit that is extremely light-weight, easy to install, easy to maintain and is a lower cost than optional products."
While many truck drivers might use NiteCool during hours of rest and sleep, it's also effective during drive time. Keeping the cabin cooler without running the factory-installed air conditioner (or running it at a greatly reduced rate) can mean a huge cost savings.
The advantages of the NiteCool TCC-100, which stands less than five inches tall mounted on the truck cabin roof, are:
"¢ Cooling without idling
"¢ No fuel consumption
"¢ Lowest unit height of any similar product on the market
"¢ More powerful cooling due to pre-cooling chamber principle
"¢ Easy and quick installation
"¢ Low noise operation and low maintenance
"¢ Electronic control of water level
"¢ Environmentally friendly
"¢ Can be retrofitted in virtually all vehicles
"¢ Manufacturers recommended sales price: $1,295
Webasto Product North America Inc., based in Fenton, Mich., provides a wide range of thermosystems and other products to the heavy-duty truck OEM and aftermarkets. For additional information, visit www.webast.us or call (800) 215-7010.
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This may be a viable option for folks that do allot of boon docking and want the benefits of a cooler interior. Information only--I'm not affiliated with the company.
<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Webasto's NiteCool System Uses No Fuel, No Idling
4/3/2007
The latest technology from Webasto to address rising fuel costs and anti-idling legislation is the NiteCool TCC-100 truck cabin cooler.
Using the fundamental, scientific principles of heat extraction through water evaporation, Webasto's NiteCool (Non-Idling Technology-Evaporative-Cooler) initially draws warm air in from outside the cabin. The air then circulates through a pre-cooling chamber and is further cooled when the warm air molecules naturally try to evaporate water from the unit's seven-gallon water tank.
The evaporation process causes the remaining air molecules to be cooler, which are then circulated into the truck cabin to reduce the interior temperature. Unlike other product options on the market, including some from Webasto, the NiteCool TCC-100 system does not use any fuel and produces zero emissions.
Early testing of the unit shows that when the outside air has 40 percent relative humidity and is 86 degrees Fahrenheit, the NiteCool TCC-100 will put 72.5-degree air into the cabin. In the same example, when the outside temperature is 95 degrees, the air going through the evaporative system will come out at 79.8 degrees. Varying temperatures and humidity levels will produce different air temperature outputs.
Reid Landis, Webasto marketing specialist, said, "Using the evaporation method creates a product design that does not use any fuel, thus it produces zero emissions, and it allows for a unit that is extremely light-weight, easy to install, easy to maintain and is a lower cost than optional products."
While many truck drivers might use NiteCool during hours of rest and sleep, it's also effective during drive time. Keeping the cabin cooler without running the factory-installed air conditioner (or running it at a greatly reduced rate) can mean a huge cost savings.
The advantages of the NiteCool TCC-100, which stands less than five inches tall mounted on the truck cabin roof, are:
"¢ Cooling without idling
"¢ No fuel consumption
"¢ Lowest unit height of any similar product on the market
"¢ More powerful cooling due to pre-cooling chamber principle
"¢ Easy and quick installation
"¢ Low noise operation and low maintenance
"¢ Electronic control of water level
"¢ Environmentally friendly
"¢ Can be retrofitted in virtually all vehicles
"¢ Manufacturers recommended sales price: $1,295
Webasto Product North America Inc., based in Fenton, Mich., provides a wide range of thermosystems and other products to the heavy-duty truck OEM and aftermarkets. For additional information, visit www.webast.us or call (800) 215-7010.
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04-03-2007, 09:14 AM
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Looks like reinvention of the swamp cooler to me. I remember that my Uncle had on of these that fastened to the window frame of his car back in the 50s. It looked similar to a tank type vacuum cleaner mounted on the outside of the car. Had an air inlet on the front and an outlet inside the car. It had a water tank in the bottom and a cord that you pulled which caused the excelsior to be covered with water.
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04-03-2007, 02:17 PM
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It even states evaporative cooling...but it works great in dry areas, but forget about using it in the coastal and other humid areas. You just get sogy very slightly cooled air in that case.
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04-04-2007, 07:53 AM
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Here is our method of beating hot weather. We live in Arizona in the cool 5-6 fall/winter/spring months. We get the heck outta here in the hot months and go NORTH.
Works 90% of the time. We have hit hot times up north and had to run AC to stay comfy but never at night.
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04-04-2007, 01:09 PM
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Im in Arizona too, when i cant go NORTH im sitting in my living room being chilled from a Master cool Swamp cooler.... it can be 110 digrees out and it will make it like its 70 out
http://www.adobeair.com/
you can buy the biggest model they make for about 800.00 but your electric bill will go down to half of what it was
Dean
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04-04-2007, 01:23 PM
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When we moved to Arizona in 1962, we had an appartment with a swamp cooler. Later we purchased a house having the same. I replaced the darn thing with true AC after the first summer and swore I would NEVER live in a sweat lodge again. No thanks.
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04-04-2007, 01:39 PM
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I wish we had a swamp cooler right now, because we're sitting here in Quartzsite, AZ, in 92+ degree weather (and that's just in the shade) without a working A/C!!!
We've been dinking around with Coleman since March 16 trying to get them to send us a new unit. After some initial testing done by our RV service center here in Quartzsite, Coleman decides that we don't need a new unit, just the "black box" (which apparently is the "brains" of the outfit). So we finally get the black box this week -- AND IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!! Our RV service center tried to get Coleman to send them an entire unit, but they refused.
So it's been nearly 3 weeks that we've been jacking around with Coleman and we still don't have A/C!
We're right at the point where we're ready to say the h*ll with Coleman, and have a brand new A/C unit installed and pay for it ourselves. We realized that Peterson won't reimburse us if we do this, but we can't continue living in 90+ degree weather without an A/C!!!
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04-05-2007, 07:37 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LindaH:
I wish we had a swamp cooler right now, because we're sitting here in Quartzsite, AZ, in 92+ degree weather (and that's just in the shade) without a working A/C!!!
We've been dinking around with Coleman since March 16 trying to get them to send us a new unit. After some initial testing done by our RV service center here in Quartzsite, Coleman decides that we don't need a new unit, just the "black box" (which apparently is the "brains" of the outfit). So we finally get the black box this week -- AND IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!! Our RV service center tried to get Coleman to send them an entire unit, but they refused.
So it's been nearly 3 weeks that we've been jacking around with Coleman and we still don't have A/C!
We're right at the point where we're ready to say the h*ll with Coleman, and have a brand new A/C unit installed and pay for it ourselves. We realized that Peterson won't reimburse us if we do this, but we can't continue living in 90+ degree weather without an A/C!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Linda,
Last summer when it was 101 degrees out my AC failed while on a trip. I did not have time to deal with it so I picked up a roll-about unit and a small piece of 3/16 inch plywood. I fit the plywood to one of my windows, cut a hole for the AC units vent hose, plugged it in and started it up. I dealt with the coach AC unit when we got home.
The portable comes in handy at home and lets us get a few months more use out of our sunroom during the dog days of summer.
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04-05-2007, 07:50 AM
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Another thing to carry around, LOL!
Although it sounds like a good solution to your problem, I don't think it's a viable one for us...I can't imagine hooking up such a system each time we stop someplace, and then having to dismantle it when we leave (not to mention trying to find someplace to store such a unit). I suppose if we sat in one place a long time, it would work, but we don't (as it is, we were all ready to leave Quartzsite back on March 16, but have been delayed because of this A/C problem).
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04-06-2007, 12:57 AM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by LindaH:
Another thing to carry around, LOL!
Although it sounds like a good solution to your problem, I don't think it's a viable one for us...I can't imagine hooking up such a system each time we stop someplace, and then having to dismantle it when we leave (not to mention trying to find someplace to store such a unit). I suppose if we sat in one place a long time, it would work, but we don't (as it is, we were all ready to leave Quartzsite back on March 16, but have been delayed because of this A/C problem). </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
I don't travel around with it, just used it until the main AC was repaired. The unit now sits in the sunroom at home.
I travel with a large dog and a cat and really could not leave them in an unconditioned space in 100 plus degree weather. If I did not have a use for the unit I would just sell it in the want adds when I got home. It was a welcome relief and I did not wait more then a few hours in order to get it up and running.
I don't believe that I said anything about unhooking it when we moved. Just bungied it in place for the rest of the trip and left it where it was until the main AC unit was repaired.
I was not stuck for weeks without AC and only spent a few hours dealing with the problem. Our trip then continued without interruption.
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04-07-2007, 07:13 PM
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">I wish we had a swamp cooler right now, because we're sitting here in Quartzsite, AZ, in 92+ degree weather (and that's just in the shade) without a working A/C!!!
We've been dinking around with Coleman since March 16 trying to get them to send us a new unit. After some initial testing done by our RV service center here in Quartzsite, Coleman decides that we don't need a new unit, just the "black box" (which apparently is the "brains" of the outfit). So we finally get the black box this week -- AND IT DOESN'T SOLVE THE PROBLEM!!! Our RV service center tried to get Coleman to send them an entire unit, but they refused.
So it's been nearly 3 weeks that we've been jacking around with Coleman and we still don't have A/C!
We're right at the point where we're ready to say the h*ll with Coleman, and have a brand new A/C unit installed and pay for it ourselves. We realized that Peterson won't reimburse us if we do this, but we can't continue living in 90+ degree weather without an A/C!!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
Linda H, you have a brand new unit with a 2-year warranty. Why are you fooling around with Coleman? Your dealer should be doing that for you. If it doesn't work and the part that Coleman sent them doesn't solve the problem, your dealer should swap the A/C out from inventory. If he doesn't have one in in inventory, then he should cannibalize an A/C from a new Excel on his lot. Then he needs to handle the static from Coleman. YOU should not be going through such problems under warranty.
That's the way our dealer works.
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04-07-2007, 09:25 PM
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Greenthumb, we are not working with the dealer from whom we bought the unit -- they are 150+ miles from us, and we have a perfectly good RV service center right here in Quartzsite that is about a mile from us -- which we got approval from Peterson Industries to use.
Perhaps I should clarify: When I say "we," I don't mean my husband and me; rather, I mean our RV service center. They told Coleman right off the bat to send them an entire unit, but Coleman decided, in their infinite wisdom, that all the A/C unit needed was the black box.
When that didn't work, and Coleman wasn't returning our RV service center's calls, we got involved and called Peterson Industries directly. According to my husband's last conversation with them on Thursday, they'll see that a new A/C is sent out to us on Monday, so hopefully by this week, we'll have a working A/C.
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04-08-2007, 07:14 AM
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One other thought about using the selling dealer: We are fulltime RVers, so it's not always going to be possible to head for the dealer from whom we bought the rig when we have a problem...whether or not it's a warranty problem.
What if we had left Arizona as soon as we'd picked up the rig and headed for, say, Florida? When this problem with the A/C cropped up, we would have been 1,000+ miles from the selling dealer. Certainly no one would expect us to drive all the way back to Arizona just so the dealer could handle whatever repairs were necessary.
There are also times when, in order to get anything done and a fire lit under people, you have to take the bull by the horns and be your own advocate. No one is as concerned about YOUR problem as you are. If we'd relied on our RV service center, on Coleman, and even on Peterson Industries to help solve our problem without our intervention, we'd still be sitting here with no resolution in sight. As it is, because WE made some calls to the right people, we'll be getting a new A/C this week (hopefully).
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