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Old 04-04-2019, 03:58 PM   #1
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Amazon proposes satellite internet system

Looks like we're going to have a "battle of the billionaires" to see who can be the first to launch thousands of satellites to create a world-wide internet system. Get your tickets now to watch Bezos vs Musk in a no holds barred smackdown event! https://www.cordcuttersnews.com/amaz...peed-internet/
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are there enough orbital slots for the thousands of sats that will be needed???
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are there enough orbital slots for the thousands of sats that will be needed???

Probably going to be LEO sats like GPS.
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agree but i would think there would be even fewer LEO slots.
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Probably going to be LEO sats like GPS.
Correct. 3,236 satellites total. Can't seem to find any orbital details yet, but I suspect they'll use numerous angles of inclination, with each of those having a constellation of satellites. Total WAG here, but my guess is 36 constellations, each constellation with 90 satellites (4 separation between satellites).

Probably not the exact numbers as I'm sure some of those 3,236 are going to be spares/backups within each constellation, but to be able to provide the amount of bandwidth required to provide internet service, they're going to need a LOT of satellites, and geometrically speaking that's roughly what my numbers come up with.

Any way you look at it, the orbital mechanics that will be required to maintain 3,236 satellites in LEO is mind-boggling!
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I think SpaceX is taking a free ride on the Sats they're launching for paying customers. And that they have a device that can place 36 mini-sats in one launch.

SpaceX has a few Sat in orbit right now doing testing and system benchmarking.

Haven't we been through this twice now with Iridium? I was an early investor in Iridium. I figured with Bill Gates and Craig McCaw (Cellular One) how could it fail? They went bankrupt and the management team bought the assets and satellites for pennies on the dollar. Us investors got nothing, nada, bupkis. The now-private company's doing better than ever and just launched 75 brand new Satellites.
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Haven't we been through this twice now with Iridium? I was an early investor in Iridium. I figured with Bill Gates and Craig McCaw (Cellular One) how could it fail?
You may have been an Iridium investor, I was a user! I had a pager (couldn't afford a phone). It worked "some of the time" when carefully placed in a window! Almost totally useless!
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they can't solve on issue and that's the 25 sec round-trip lag to space and back, more if your info is sent laterally around the "SkyNet".

Bound to happen but physics and the speed of light have the final say on just how much it can doo
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You may have been an Iridium investor, I was a user! I had a pager (couldn't afford a phone). It worked "some of the time" when carefully placed in a window! Almost totally useless!
oh geeze i forgot about Iridium...didn't they have to stop because they ran out if funds?

I have a fun novel by Ben Bova titled The Sam Gunn Collection or something close. I have the Audible version. It's all geared toward exactly what's happening now, Bezos completes the plot elements for us. But the book is a collection of short stories with a character names Sam Gunn, former and far rehabilitated astronaut with all manner of vices, need to flaunt authority and chase women.

I really recommend that Audible unabridged version.
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they can't solve on issue and that's the 25 sec round-trip lag to space and back, more if your info is sent laterally around the "SkyNet".

Bound to happen but physics and the speed of light have the final say on just how much it can doo
are you sure your math is right. google tells me that 12.5-light seconds travels ~2.3 million miles. it takes about 1.2 seconds for a radio signal to reach the moon. something else causing the lag??
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they can't solve on issue and that's the 25 sec round-trip lag to space and back, more if your info is sent laterally around the "SkyNet".
With all due respect, the ping time for today's internet satellites is slightly less than one second and that's with satellites in orbit at >22,000 miles above the earth. With low earth orbit satellites speed of light issues will be negligible.

FWIW if you want to look at it like a physicist would you can roughly assume that light travels one foot per nanosecond (one billionth of a second). A satellite in orbit at 100 miles above the earth is ~528,000 feet above the planet. Therefore, the time it takes a radio wave to reach such a satellite would be :

(528,000 feet) x (one billionth of a second/foot) = (5.28 x 10^5 ) x (10^-9) seconds

= 5.28 x 10^-4 seconds or roughly ~.0005 second

So the round trip (earth to satellite to earth) round trip time would be roughly twice this or one one-thousandth of a second. Not enough of a delay to be noticeable.
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With low earth orbit satellites speed of light issues will be negligible.
There was an attempt to do something similar to this 20 years ago with the Iridium satellites placed in 500 mile orbits. It was just to expensive and the technology just wasn't there, YET..

I can easily see today's technology could now allow this to happen.
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Bumper satellites anyone?
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