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Old 01-07-2017, 02:23 PM   #15
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With all due respect the usage of the word "Genie" is totally messed up in Apex_speed's post. No one has "a DVR and 4 Genies" at his house. By definition a Genie is a DVR and it can serve multiple "miniGenie" clients.

Until the post is clarified there is no point in speculating what has actually been installed in either his home or RV.
Understood and this got covered later on in the thread.

"Genie system" consists of HR44-200, 3 Wireless mini clients, and distribution hub. This is what is in the coach now and will be replaced with the current versions of the above as it was only $99 to have all this sent out from DirectTV.

System staying in house as ordered will consist of 3 HR25 boxes.

I am not including any required SWM hardware as that should be a given.
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I have one Direct TV account for home and two receivers in motorhome,
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In my case, I'm going with the more elaborate hardware in the Coach as that is where I plan to spend my time in the near future.
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Understood and this got covered later on in the thread.

"Genie system" consists of HR44-200, 3 Wireless mini clients, and distribution hub. This is what is in the coach now and will be replaced with the current versions of the above as it was only $99 to have all this sent out from DirectTV.

System staying in house as ordered will consist of 3 HR25 boxes.

I am not including any required SWM hardware as that should be a given.
Apex_speed., docj misspoke about your posts. He was referring to the post by ToniSheri. You have your ducks in a row. And if you have questions you should PM them to docj. He is really the RV Genie specialist on this forum and really knows his stuff. He just missed the whole thread here.
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Apex_speed., docj misspoke about your posts. He was referring to the post by ToniSheri. You have your ducks in a row. And if you have questions you should PM them to docj. He is really the RV Genie specialist on this forum and really knows his stuff. He just missed the whole thread here.
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Thanks for catching my mistake. And thanks for the compliment (even if I'm not sure now if I deserve it)!

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If you plan on feeding the UTV (4K) TV, you need a HR-54 genie and a C-61K client. Of course that is about to change as 4K is moving the the "back channel" frequencies.
For me, I have an HR-44 in the house with two C-41W clients and a wireless bridge. I pick up the entire mess minus the RG-6 cables, splitter and antenna power supply and move it to the coach. The coach is permanently wired with a duplicate setup. That way everything on the hard drive is available for a trip and there is no need to change the season pass programing.
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Hi guys...I need expertise again.

I have my new DTV system up and running in my house as follows:

1 New dish
1 SWM 8 Port Distribution Block
1 Ethernet to Coax Injector at the Block
1 H44 DVR
2 HR25 Mini Boxes
1 HR54 Genie DVR
1 Genie Wireless Hub
3 Genie Wireless Mini Clients

I'm sure I got some of the terminology a bit wrong but that is hopefully close enough to sort this out.

The one thing that seems like it is missing to me is some sort of power injector for the SWM distribution block. My last 2 installations had a power adaptor that connected to the SWM block with coax and this does not have that anywhere (also checked the dish for a power injector).

I can disconnect any set box, mini client, the ethernet injector, and even the H44 and the rest of the system will work fine (throws an error that you can clear).

However, if I remove the HR54-200, EVERYTHING goes down immediately.

My plan was to take the following to my coach and leave the H44 and 2 HR25 at home up and running (keep in mind I have a SWM distribution block in my coach already so I'm not listing that):

1 Ethernet to Coax Injector (care about On Demand in the coach only)
1 HR54 Genie DVR
1 Genie Wireless Hub
3 Genie Wireless Mini Clients

So the obvious flaw is that when I remove the HR54, the intended "home" system won't work. Am I missing something or are they possibly using the HR54 to inject power into the distribution block? If not, is there another setting as my understanding is that I have to workable systems here that I can split apart from each other.

Thanks again!
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On another note, my installation tech said that a couple of DTV guys are running dual Genie rigs in their homes on the same account by using some type of isolator so the the 2 systems can't see each other.

He did not elaborate beyond that.
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Let me hit the easy ones first then I will come back later when I get back from a meeting I have to go to. You do not have an H44. It would be nice to know what that receiver really is.

You will not have an power inserter with an HR54. That Genie has the power inserter built in. Consequently when you remove it you shut off the SWM unit. And, as you noted, all goes dark.

Your HR54 also has the "internet to coax injector" as you call it (also known as Cinema Connection Kit) built into it. So you should not have an additional one in your home installation. You will only need to carry that on the road if you can get good internet and want to download movies or other on-demand content. Personally, I doubt you would want to use that on the road.

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Let me hit the easy ones first then I will come back later when I get back from a meeting I have to go to. You do not have an H44. It would be nice to know what that receiver really is.

You will not have an power inserter with an HR54. That Genie has the power inserter built in. Consequently when you remove it you shut off the SWM unit. And, as you noted, all goes dark.

Your HR54 also has the "internet to coax injector" as you call it (also known as Cinema Connection Kit) built into it. So you should not have an additional one in your home installation. You will only need to carry that on the road if you can get good internet and want to download movies or other on-demand content. Personally, I doubt you would want to use that on the road.

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Thanks!

I goofed. The H44 is really an H24-200.

I was told be the installer to always use the Cinema Connection Kit and never the ethernet on the back of the Genie. I do have a pretty over the top internet setup (provided it works) so can see using on demand on occasion.

It sounds like I need to pick up a power injector for the SWM unit tomorrow to replace the HR54 when it is out of the system.

One other aberration I noticed was that when the H24 DVR was offline, the HR25 boxes were accessing content on the HR54. I believe there is a "whole home" setting that I need to turn off in the HR54.

Are there any final words of wisdom before I separate the two systems as they will be 1,000 miles away when they get there first trial run?

I had planned to make sure the Genie was functional with the HR25 and H24 off line for a few days and that the HR25/H24 rig was also tested for a few days with the Genie gone.
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Ok. Let's take a sec to get some terminology straight which will help communications. In DirecTV receiver terminology the receivers all start with "H". If they include DVR capability (recording) they append the "R" to the "H" designation, giving you "HR". The number simply refers to the generation number. So the Genies with recording capability are always HRxx units. All receiver only units are "H" designated and have only one tuner. The early DVRs had two tuners and the Genie units (at this point) have 5 tuners. All SWM heads currently in the field typically have an 8 channel unit attached (although there is a 13 channel unit available). You cannot have more tuners than channels for a properly operating unit.

I do count 8 tuners in the configuration you mention, but I am wondering why they configured you with 2 H25s and one H24. Typically they would install 3 H25s or 2 H25s and an HR24 (but, this would have put you over the 8 channels available from the SWM head.) Since you are going to split your setup this would really not be a problem for you.

Yes, you do need to purchase a power inserter for your home setup. You need the 21 volt model like this one. Since you had the HR54 setup in the RV there is no external power inserter there.

Once you get the power inserter you need to remove the coax from the HR54 Genie currently in your house and put the power inserter on the coax that was attached to the HR54. Put this on the "to SWM" labeled coax connector. Take a short piece of coax and place it on the "to IRD" connector of the power inserter and attach the other end to the receiver you are using in place of the HR54. Caution: Do not put the power inserter in line with any other receiver in your house unless you understand how to change the hookups to your splitter. There is a specifi power path marked on the splitter unit and you must follow that power path to get power to the SWM head. Your house has been wired for the HR54 position to be the power source in your house.

Important note: You must terminate any coax connection where you remove a receiver with a 75 ohm terminator like this. You cannot have any open coax lines in a SWM setup. (You can also purchase the units at Home Depot.)

You should be able to turn things on at this point and see reception on all three receivers in the home. There should be no need to change any settings because you are using the same dish that was in place when you added the new power inserter.

Now you can test the Cinema Connection Kit by putting it in line with one of the other receivers. It really does not matter. It will turn your whole coax "network" into an extension of your in-home internet system. I would avoid putting it in line with the power inserter. I don't think these units handle power throughput. If it works, great. If it does not you will probably need to add a recorder ("HR" receiver) to your setup, because the wiring is correct.

Since you do not list any DVRs (other than your Genie) I am not sure if you can access On-Demand (movies, etc) at home. All the On Demand setups I have read about have at least one DVR in the setup since it is not uncommon to need to buffer on-line content.

Now all you need to do is move the Genie, the bridge, and the three minis to your RV. They should work just fine there like they did when you purchased your RV. If it would make you feel better, you could also take the Cinema Connection kit along with you to the RV. But, these were not needed on the HR44 even though DirecTV was telling all their installers to include them in the setup and they are definitely not needed on the HR54. Inserting an Ethernet cable into the back of the HR54 works just fine.

If you find you have an HR24 or H24 at home, by all means DO NOT insert an Ethernet cable in the back of that receiver. There is a plug for one, but there is a design error that shuts down the whole home functionality when you do that. That connector is only applicable if you only have the one HR24 in the house and/or only intend to watch on-demand programs on that receiver. A Cinema Connection kit is mandatory in these setups.

From what you say you should be golden once you get the power inserter and terminators in place.

And yes, you can test the reverse of this setup. But, if the Genie and minis are working now there is no reason they will not work in the RV. Just know that no DirecTV receiver (as of this date) knows specifically what dish it is attached to. They only sense and know what type of dish they are connected to. So simply moving a receiver from one dish to an exactly similar dish should be totally transparent to the Genie receiver. And since the minis and bridge work fine now they should continue to work fine in the RV.

Oh, and I would not touch any "Whole Home" settings. Your system is working just as it is supposed to do. You should be able to see all the Genie recordings on the H25s. This will only work while they are on the same coax connection in your house.

Hope all this helps.

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Ok. Let's take a sec to get some terminology straight which will help communications. In DirecTV receiver terminology the receivers all start with "H". If they include DVR capability (recording) they append the "R" to the "H" designation, giving you "HR". The number simply refers to the generation number. So the Genies with recording capability are always HRxx units. All receiver only units are "H" designated and have only one tuner. The early DVRs had two tuners and the Genie units (at this point) have 5 tuners. All SWM heads currently in the field typically have an 8 channel unit attached (although there is a 13 channel unit available). You cannot have more tuners than channels for a properly operating unit.

I do count 8 tuners in the configuration you mention, but I am wondering why they configured you with 2 H25s and one H24. Typically they would install 3 H25s or 2 H25s and an HR24 (but, this would have put you over the 8 channels available from the SWM head.) Since you are going to split your setup this would really not be a problem for you.

Yes, you do need to purchase a power inserter for your home setup. You need the 21 volt model like this one. Since you had the HR54 setup in the RV there is no external power inserter there.

Once you get the power inserter you need to remove the coax from the HR54 Genie currently in your house and put the power inserter on the coax that was attached to the HR54. Put this on the "to SWM" labeled coax connector. Take a short piece of coax and place it on the "to IRD" connector of the power inserter and attach the other end to the receiver you are using in place of the HR54. Caution: Do not put the power inserter in line with any other receiver in your house unless you understand how to change the hookups to your splitter. There is a specifi power path marked on the splitter unit and you must follow that power path to get power to the SWM head. Your house has been wired for the HR54 position to be the power source in your house.

Important note: You must terminate any coax connection where you remove a receiver with a 75 ohm terminator like this. You cannot have any open coax lines in a SWM setup. (You can also purchase the units at Home Depot.)

You should be able to turn things on at this point and see reception on all three receivers in the home. There should be no need to change any settings because you are using the same dish that was in place when you added the new power inserter.

Now you can test the Cinema Connection Kit by putting it in line with one of the other receivers. It really does not matter. It will turn your whole coax "network" into an extension of your in-home internet system. I would avoid putting it in line with the power inserter. I don't think these units handle power throughput. If it works, great. If it does not you will probably need to add a recorder ("HR" receiver) to your setup, because the wiring is correct.

Since you do not list any DVRs (other than your Genie) I am not sure if you can access On-Demand (movies, etc) at home. All the On Demand setups I have read about have at least one DVR in the setup since it is not uncommon to need to buffer on-line content.

Now all you need to do is move the Genie, the bridge, and the three minis to your RV. They should work just fine there like they did when you purchased your RV. If it would make you feel better, you could also take the Cinema Connection kit along with you to the RV. But, these were not needed on the HR44 even though DirecTV was telling all their installers to include them in the setup and they are definitely not needed on the HR54. Inserting an Ethernet cable into the back of the HR54 works just fine.

If you find you have an HR24 or H24 at home, by all means DO NOT insert an Ethernet cable in the back of that receiver. There is a plug for one, but there is a design error that shuts down the whole home functionality when you do that. That connector is only applicable if you only have the one HR24 in the house and/or only intend to watch on-demand programs on that receiver. A Cinema Connection kit is mandatory in these setups.

From what you say you should be golden once you get the power inserter and terminators in place.

And yes, you can test the reverse of this setup. But, if the Genie and minis are working now there is no reason they will not work in the RV. Just know that no DirecTV receiver (as of this date) knows specifically what dish it is attached to. They only sense and know what type of dish they are connected to. So simply moving a receiver from one dish to an exactly similar dish should be totally transparent to the Genie receiver. And since the minis and bridge work fine now they should continue to work fine in the RV.

Oh, and I would not touch any "Whole Home" settings. Your system is working just as it is supposed to do. You should be able to see all the Genie recordings on the H25s. This will only work while they are on the same coax connection in your house.

Hope all this helps.

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One would think I'm retarded but just typed these in a hurry. Its is an HR24-200 DVR with 2 H25s.

I understand the power inserter and terminator topology. It worked fine without terminators on the unused ports during my test but I will not leave it that way.

In terms of it recognizing the dish only. I have an RF Mogul Eagle:

https://rfmogul.com/eagle_directv.html

Is there only one type of SWM LNB or do I need to check that it is the same one as on my house before connecting any gear or is it not that smart?
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You are golden with the RF Mogul Eagle. If you look at the second picture on the site you referenced you will see a standard DirecTV SWM head with the green label (which is what you have or a Genie would not work in the RV).

But, as I noted earlier I am confused that things worked since that is 9 tuners and your SWM head should only support 8. (But, then too, if you don't have everything turned on at the same time it will work.) We can discuss this later if your HR24 does not seem to be working right. (The technician may have changed a setting in that receiver to only work with one tuner -- which can be done on that receiver and can easily be reset.)

You can confirm what you have at home by selecting the "Menu" button on the remote and then selecting "Settings". Select "Info & Test" from the list. On this page select "More System Info" (should be in the lower right-hand corner). [Note: You do NOT want to select Run System Test. ] Under the heading "Satellite Setup" you should see SL3 LNB for Dish Type and SWM-LNB for Switch Type. Further down you will see "SWM CH Count:". You should have an 8 next to this. You could also see 13. But, do not worry, your Genie can reset to 8 in your MH if you have 13 at home. When you do this in the MH you will see 8 for sure. There is really no reason your Genie setup will have any issues in the MH. And if you have any, docj can help you resolve them.

It sounds like you have already had a successful test at home so you are good there. I would assume you tested the whole home DVR functionality to be sure you can see recordings on the HR24 on your H25s. The only real difference here is that you can only schedule recordings from the HR24 itself and not the from the H25 units. As you have experienced on the Genie, you can schedule recordings from the minis as well as the base unit.

Do enjoy your new system.
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Thanks Bob. I will check the tuner issue this weekend.

Is this limit per account or per location? If it is per location, it shouldn't matter once I have them separated out.

I'm waiting for a power injector to be delivered tomorrow.
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