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gemini5362 · 01-22-2015, 12:44 PM

just use the device others have talked about. Get a wisp router for your Mh. Connect it to the campground then connect your other devices to it. I use mine and connect my phone, my wifes phone, laptops, tablets all to the wisp router. It seems like a lot of devices but we only use one of our devices each.

The problem with campgrounds is not the number of devices you are using it is people streaming Netflix or hula or whatever. Those devices take up a lot of bandwidth

Gocoffeer · 01-22-2015, 01:06 PM

One method that is commonly used to block devices inadvertently....is called a SPLASH SCREEN....the access point offers an approval splash screen and the end user device fails to display that screen and can not select APPROVED or AGREED to the log on statement and the negotiation handshake never takes place. I know this sounds technical....but I can not make it sound simpler.
As an example...I host a fleet of city buses that offer free wifi (like the campground) many cell phones and tablet PCs do not have the active X component available to see my agreement screen to get past the EULA.... so they fail to log in. Can I fix that YES...I can remove the agreement and just let the world login.

MAC based authentication has been mentioned..I will not discuss this....

Systems Manager Sentry authentication is usually the terminology that we use to block IOS, MAC and Android OS devises.... if this is not turned on or is not updated... the route device will simply fail to negotiate with the end user device. This portion of a route device requires that an end user allow an app to be installed on their device that authenticates back to the route device for pass thru. Sentry will automatically detect the removal of the Systems Manager app or management profile and deny access of a mobile device to the network. In addition to this, IT can set up alerts so they are notified via e-mail if a device goes from being managed to unmanaged because the management profile has been removed.

I hope this sheds some explanation to the population seeking a better understanding on how we BLOCK your devices. sometimes we do it because we do not have the money to buy better equipment with updated protocols STUFF.

HD4Mark · 01-23-2015, 06:27 AM

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Silly question but did you ask them about the blocking?

Yes. We are here most of the winter and have a great relationship with the employees. It was simply to try to recover some bandwidth. They say there is a hotspot at the restaurant to get access with a smartphone but I have yet to try it. One problem they have is an employee that tends bar at the tiki bar and plays music via his smart phone so they blocked him out. Woops

brobox · 01-23-2015, 06:45 AM

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Thanks Joel, I'm hoping it doesn't come to that and we are well within range of the WIFI so for now I will just use our other devices. Kind of sucks they blocked our phones since we almost never use more than one device at a time so the bandwidth we consume doesn't change much.

It is a shame that we have those that will use their cellphones to stream, Netflex, or their S&B service provider to there non smart TV's. (my phone has HDMI). I can see why RV Parks may block them. We gave up on park Wi-fi several years ago and strictly use Foxfire on our Android for our wi-fi connections. It's free and our 4GB plan has worked fine, but we don't stream and delete emails with youtube attachments. We run 2 laptops 7 nights a week and average 2GB of use per month. I am on this forum daily.

docj · 01-23-2015, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by brobox

It is a shame that we have those that will use their cellphones to stream, Netflex, or their S&B service provider to there non smart TV's. (my phone has HDMI).

I'm not sure where you're coming from but if people use their cell phones to stream on their cellular accounts then it's nobody's business but theirs.

If they stream video on their phones using the park's wifi then it's likely that they simply don't understand that an inexpensive Roku or similar device would make it easier to accomplish. As for whether or not streaming on park WiFi is good or bad, it simply is a fact of life. People will continue to do it and all the complaining about it on this and other forums won't change the fact.

Ray,IN · 01-24-2015, 08:15 PM

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. As for whether or not streaming on park WiFi is good or bad, it simply is a fact of life. People will continue to do it and all the complaining about it on this and other forums won't change the fact.

Exactly right. In this day of me me me me, that is reality. Bandwidth is expensive to purchase and maintain the equipment to provide. RV parks seem to prefer limiting users to raising site fees to cover the costs of providing unlimited bandwith. I don't blame them, it's their business to run as they choose.

Jet_Fuel · 01-25-2015, 02:48 AM

Where is this campground so we can all avoid it?

CaptBill · 01-25-2015, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by docj

I'm not sure where you're coming from but if people use their cell phones to stream on their cellular accounts then it's nobody's business but theirs.

docj, you're right, if they are streaming on their data plan, but most cellphones default to using wifi, when available. It was probably discovered that the bartender, mentioned in a previous post, was streaming via the CG's wifi, and so they blocked him.

MRUSA14 · 01-25-2015, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by docj

If they stream video on their phones using the park's wifi then it's likely that they simply don't understand that an inexpensive Roku or similar device would make it easier to accomplish. As for whether or not streaming on park WiFi is good or bad, it simply is a fact of life. People will continue to do it and all the complaining about it on this and other forums won't change the fact.

Which is why I wish every RV park would block streaming. It is very annoying not to be able to read your email because one or two bozos are hogging the whole bandwidth.

Sky_Boss · 01-25-2015, 10:08 AM

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Which is why I wish every RV park would block streaming. It is very annoying not to be able to read your email because one or two bozos are hogging the whole bandwidth.

Define streaming in realistic terms. If I am watching a few You Tube videos is that streaming to some degree but reasonable? It would make more sense to throttle bandwidth to each user. It wouldn't be popular but at least fair.

Also, why only block mobile devices? In some cases mobile downloads are smaller than HD downloads to a computer. If I am following this thread correctly, the issue is only mobile devices but my MacBook Pro is pretty "mobile".

Now, all that being said, good CGs should consider good internet access as nearly essential as water and sewer when they can provide that service. Does that mean they will need to pass the cost on to the customer...yes.

LVJ58 · 01-25-2015, 10:24 AM

When using our notebook computer we have personal hot-spot on our Sprint cell-phone which has worked pretty well so far. Of course there has to be a cell tower in range of our phone.

MRUSA14 · 01-25-2015, 10:33 AM

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Define streaming in realistic terms. If I am watching a few You Tube videos is that streaming to some degree but reasonable? It would make more sense to throttle bandwidth to each user. It wouldn't be popular but at least fair.

I understand your point. Where do you draw the line? Ideally, the campground router would block or throttle the speed of streamers only when the bandwidth is saturated. Then people could still stream when demand is low (such as the wee hours of the night), but not when streaming would disrupt communications of other users.

nothermark · 01-25-2015, 10:52 AM

FWIW If I was running a Campground system and I could get the backhaul capacity I would be really tempted to supply a router for a deposit to each camping unit. That way each unit could get their slice of the pie to use (or not) as they saw fit. The system would have the router MAC addresses and be limited to those connections. Cut way down on the congestion problems caused by multiple devices and multiple users per camping unit.

Sky_Boss · 01-25-2015, 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by nothermark

FWIW If I was running a Campground system and I could get the backhaul capacity I would be really tempted to supply a router for a deposit to each camping unit. That way each unit could get their slice of the pie to use (or not) as they saw fit. The system would have the router MAC addresses and be limited to those connections. Cut way down on the congestion problems caused by multiple devices and multiple users per camping unit.

Sounds like a marketing idea.

The trick would be how to secure its use to the intended customers. I could get one of those devices, invite a few of my CG friends over to use it. Of course, if the device was properly throttled to a reasonable bandwidth, I think that would be "self limiting". LOL

I don't think CGs need to provide connection speeds to download Netflix HD movies and stuff like that. I do think it makes good business sense to provide it when possible, especially in areas were there is poor cell phone coverage for those of us that use data plans with our cell service providers.