DVRs With in-motion Dome Antennas?

[Gobigreen]

I am looking at getting a Winegard Roadtrip SDi dome satellite antenna. I have Directv service at home. All of my TV's (3) in the MH are HD TV's and I know I cannot get HD on the Ka band sats with the dome but in-motion is critical for me as I use the MH for tailgating at football games and have a 3 hr drive each way. Watching other football games while driving to and from the game we are going to is a must! I have read through many threads and am trying to figure out what Directv DVR I can use with this dish. I have read that there have been some problems and Winegard recommends not using a DVR with this antenna (Kingdome says the same thing). Any help on this would be appreciated.

[wa8yxm]

I have used a DirecTV DVR with an IN-motion sat dome and have the following comments

There WILL be drop outs as you go under bridges,, Though annoying they are not usually critical. So if you understand this, well.... Way better than no recording

2: IF the DVR is in the standard overhead compartment the temps there can go well over 100 Degrees with the door closed

I drilled a bunch of vent holes (4" holes) in the back of the compartment, I drilled one in the side and installed a muffin fan with a 90 degree turn on swich and still was not happy with the temps in the box.. I replaced the Plexiglas panel in the door with a custom made window screen.. Much cooler now. (And looks good too)

[MaverickBBD]

I attended a Winegard seminar (read sales pitch) and asked about the same topic. The tech said that domed hi def is available as well as in motion hi def but hi def in dvr is not available due to size of the dish and amount of information up and down. If I remember correctly he did state that in motion non hi def dvr is available. Hope that helps.

[Bill Adams]

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Originally Posted by MaverickBBD I attended a Winegard seminar (read sales pitch) and asked about the same topic. The tech said that domed hi def is available as well as in motion hi def but hi def in dvr is not available due to size of the dish and amount of information up and down. If I remember correctly he did state that in motion non hi def dvr is available. Hope that helps.

OK, here we go again.
There are exact ZERO channels of HD available from any dome, Carryout or VuQube if you are a DirecTV customer.
No matter what antenna you use, ALL of the HD channels are available if you are a Dish Network customer.

Gobigreen,
Don't confuse a post from someone who says that they have a Brand X antenna and it works great with a DVR as being informative in any way as to whether your Winegard will work with a DVR. I even have a Winegard in-motion antenna that works great with a DVR. However, it is not your model and the same rule applies. This does not mean that yours will work.

[MaverickBBD]

Don't mean to get this into a He said/they said but The Winegard tec stood up in front of a group of 30 people as I asked that very question. He said "sure you can, you just need to add an addition converter" and then he went over to the table where he had all his equipment he/they were selling and held it up. Personally that is why I am staying away from domes (at this time).

[Bill Adams]

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Originally Posted by MaverickBBD Don't mean to get this into a He said/they said but The Winegard tec stood up in front of a group of 30 people as I asked that very question. He said "sure you can, you just need to add an addition converter" and then he went over to the table where he had all his equipment he/they were selling and held it up. Personally that is why I am staying away from domes (at this time).

Much like 'two wrongs don't make a right", repeating incorrect information over and over again does not make it correct (no matter who you heard it from).
THE ABSOLUTE FACTS are that you CANNOT EVER get the HDTV programming from DirecTV with a dome antenna. It is also a fact that you ABSOLUTELY CAN get the HDTV programming from Dish Network with a dome. Just in case you would "rather fight than switch", which part of that do you not agree with?

[Gobigreen]

I know with Directv I am not going to be getting the HD channels on the Ka band satellite. I'm not even trying to get the few that are available on the Ku band because the HD converter is several hundred dollars. This gets you about 5 HD channels. (Cheaper to add a dish subscription than buy that thing). I am making the decision to sacrifice HD (ahhh!!!) for in-motion with this dish. I am a huge HD fan but had to do it. What I am trying to find out is which, if any, DVR's work with the antenna I am looking at. Winegard CSR I called was not knowledgeable on the subject. It sounds like I won't know absolutely for sure until I buy and try - but at least it seems some people have had some success. I have a couple of old R10's and an HR10-250 sitting in the closet not being used I will try.

[Bill Adams]

I requested that the moderators delete the last sentence of my above post (since this forum now chooses to block this option to their users) as it appears to have offended some here. My wife tells me that nobody "gets" me and it appears that she is correct. Maybe a smiley face would have helped, but no matter I apologize to anyone and everyone that found this post to be offensive in some way.
It appears that there is still some old information floating around out there and the poster did not clarify how long ago he might have gotten this information. There was a time when DirecTV broadcast their HD programming from KU band satellites and during this time you could receive the DirecTV programming with the aforementioned converter. Even now there are about 10 of the 130+ HD channels that can be received from a KU band satellite if you can pick up 110 and/or 119. It's certainly not worth the extra money, but technically, you can pick up those couple of HD channels.

[Gobigreen]

I ended up getting the Winegard Road Trip in-motion. I chose it over the Kingdome because of price. Camping World had the Wingard unit on sale for $1399 and the installation was 50% off ($133). I am going to give it a go this weekend and report back.

[wa8yxm]

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Originally Posted by MaverickBBD I attended a Winegard seminar (read sales pitch) and asked about the same topic. The tech said that domed hi def is available as well as in motion hi def but hi def in dvr is not available due to size of the dish and amount of information up and down. If I remember correctly he did state that in motion non hi def dvr is available. Hope that helps.

Yes, IN-Motion Hi-Def is available.. But only on DISH NETWORK, not on DirecTV, the O/P has DirecHDTV

And .... The reason the sales jerk gave you for why it won't work with a DVR is wrong too.. Just so you know

DISH scatteres programming over 2 or 3 (HD is 3) Satellites (Birds in my use) and the dome can only point to one at a time. It may be 110, for say Halmark channel, or 119 for your network broadcast, or it may be 129 (I think) for HI-Def, but it can only point to one at a time. The amount of data flowing has nothing to do with anything.. The problem is if you want to record say Dr. Who, on SyFy, on bird 119, and your wife wants "Waltons" on Halmark, on 110.. IT can't be done.

Now with DirecTV (Standard) it's all on 101, so if your dome is a "Dual LNB" type (Does not mean two LNB's that woudl be a TWIN, it means one lnb with dual internals and outputs) then ... works great with a DVR.

I know. I"ve done it.

[Bill Adams]

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Originally Posted by MaverickBBD but hi def in dvr is not available due to size of the dish and amount of information up and down.

Additionally, There is NO "up" data with satellite TV unless you are connected to a phone line. The receiver is incapable of sending any information of any kind to the satellite or the satellite TV providers since there is no transmit capability.

[Samflhomes]

I have the in motion winegard with a dish Dvr. Been using it about a month now.

The one sat at a time is a pain but we are getting used to that. Have yet to figure out why some programs don't get recorded on the #2 TV selection but it seems that the #1 TV has control over the Sat and #2 cannot override even when #1 isn't being used. If I go to #1 tv and select any station that points to the proper Sat (also needed by #2) then #2 will record station that needed that same Sat.

It is nice that Dish allows you to view recordings from a common library regarless of which TV did the recording. So while we are driving we watch tv on #1 and use #2 to record. Well the driver doesn't watch ...I'm too busy driving.

Sam

[wa8yxm]

Note to Bill Adams.... I see we are on the same side in this HD discussion .. Of course you got it right, I mean you do this kind of thing for a living.. With me it's a hobby

Folks LISTEN TO BILL, he really does know what he is talking about.

[Bill Adams]

wa8yxm,
Thanks for the note. I am not actually on any side as I don't care if folks are Dish Network or DirecTV subscribers (we don't sell either service). We are always glad to be on the side of posters such as yourself who "get it" and try to pass this valuable information on.