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09-08-2014, 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jack Mayer
ONE of the issues is that what is "usable" for you is not "usable" for me. A "quality experience" is based solely on the users expectations being met. And that is not possible for all users all the time.
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This hits the nail on the head. My expectation is to be able to check my email and do light web browsing and more often than not that expectation is met. If I insisted on streaming Spider Man 2 in HD then my expectations probably wouldn't be met. Same wifi network, both usable and 'unusable' at the same time.
It's true that there certainly are some duds out there, wifi that doesn't work at all or has been down for weeks is unacceptable, but beyond those cases it really isn't practical to expect a large campground to be saturated with signal in every location or support a simultaneous 30 mbps to 50+ users. The right equipment on the receiving end is pretty important too. A barefoot laptop often won't do well in a low signal, high noise environment like a campground, especially inside an RV. You pretty much need a well-engineered repeater system for good functionality. Perhaps one 'shouldn't' have to go to the extra effort, but it often makes the difference between fuming and having Internet service. I know which I like better.
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09-08-2014, 04:32 PM
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I don't think that the word "free" is actually correct. The price of the WiFi is figured into the cost of the site so we are actually paying for the service.
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09-08-2014, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by OldHiker
You are missing my point. This is a case of false advertisement. When someone states they offer a free product, that's what I come to expect - a free usable wifi.
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OldHiker
I have never seen a RV park offer/advertize "free useable wifi".
Similar to a "trouble free RV", "free usable wifi" is seldom found.
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09-08-2014, 06:02 PM
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Originally Posted by OldHiker
You are missing my point. This is a case of false advertisement. When someone states they offer a free product, that's what I come to expect - a free usable wifi.
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And therein lies the issue. Notice the CG's don't have THAT word in their statements when they publish they have free Wi-Fi, nor do they list the speed. That's why we have a MyFi.
I too, don't currently consider Wi-Fi a necessity like I do electric, water or even sewer. Maybe I haven't gotten that attached to the internet.....yet.
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09-08-2014, 06:17 PM
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It has to do with expectations. Somewhat similar to free breakfasts at the chain hotels.
Most advertise a free hot breakfast. Some have a nice buffet while others the cook your own waffle maker counts as hot breakfast.
As always wifi is a crap shoot. Getting the band width for a large RV park would be problematic and costly if everyone expected to be able to stream videos at any time. When we stay for a night or two I am satisfied to be able to check email and send a few as well as looking down the road for weather and possible locations to stay. When I am staying long term I would like to have better service but when we stay at our lot we go to a local provider and get local service of a band width that suits our needs.
Next I suppose there will be a thread that will address the different levels of cable provided by RV parks. Some folks probably would like hookup to provide the full menu with sports, movies and the racy channels - Oh and PPV too.
I guess it mainly has to do with the service level one expects vs what is provided.
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09-08-2014, 06:50 PM
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If the wi-fi is bad at a given campground, politely advise the camp office of that fact. Wi-fi is an expense to the campground and the equipment needs to be upgraded every few years to keep up with the latest security requirements, speeds, coverage patterns, etc. Remember, you're camping, not drinking coffee at a Starbucks.
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09-08-2014, 06:52 PM
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I wanna chime in on these threads. I bought my rv becuase I travel for work. So I was staying 12 to 14 nights a month in hotels. So I now take a room buy out and use that to find my new found love for my rv.
With that said. The infrastructure is in place for a reasonable price to offer 100gb wifi with 1048 users. So that myth is wrong. I can't get a decent line to the park. Every park I have stayed is covered by line of site services that will get a solid 300gb service to you. I know this because I deal with this for my rural clients. So the fact is that most cg don't want to spend the money in infrastructure.
I compare a cg to the same as say a days inn. At most mid grade hotels I can do netflix no problem or hbo go or what ever service.
Hbo plans to offer there service customer direct in the next year as well as most major providers, so why pay direct tv at 150 a month when I can buy hbo for 10. And so on in trying to be short.
Bought a new computer, guess what they don't have disc drives any more, or most don't. So that said you are expected to download any programs you need. You can't even sign in to a web page like yahoo to check your mail with out getting the latest move trailer.
Apple amazon and google all sell you product, movies, music software ect and expect you to use it out of there cloud, you don't even get the file any more.
Most corporate software like what I use is all in the cloud.
These technology are not dictated by us the consumer. It's what we have to do to take advantage of it. And people want it.
So I think gc should just like most hotels step up and offer the service. The service should be strong enough to support what people are doing with it. It's not us the consumer, customer should be ridiculed. Sorry it is the way of the future.
If a 200 or 300 $59 a night hotel can manage so can a cg.
For gc owners here, I know allot of you are sole proprietor small business. And these kind of technology that we demand are pulling at your limited purse strings. And I have nothing but respect as I to am a small business. And it takes time to catch up. But here is what I did
I now have my own internet. I now have a electric hook up at 2 out of 3 shops I visit ever month. So I no longer stay in camp grounds. Mostly due to internet problems. And the main reason I stayed was for internet and power hook up.
One idea is that allot if nicer hotels offer free base sped internet for email and casual browsing. If like for a few bucks we will let u use the full speed and let you download and stream.
Sorry this was so long all.
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09-08-2014, 07:15 PM
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Livesound - what you say is very valid. It is a matter of supplying a service and at what level of service.
Hotels had to jump on the band wagon to entice the business customer. We would not stay at a hotel that did not have acceptable internet service. Hotels a level of service to attract business folks to stay at their establishment instead of a competitor. That is where their bread and butter comes from. The addition of the free breakfast. The business person is able to grab breakfast making it convenient for the business person, a benefit that the casual traveler is able to benefit from.
PS - Staying in a hotel does not guarantee the internet connection speeds that are being referred to in this thread. The service varies from hotel to hotel as well as room to room.
Campgrounds offer things that hotels do not. A clubhouse, planned activities, social events, entertainment, shuttles to various local attractions, etc.
I agree that the price cg charge should include a reasonable internet connection. Unfortunately they cater mainly to the traveler rather than the business person so they are picking their battles so they are competitive.
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09-08-2014, 07:16 PM
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Free UNUSEABLE Wifi
Want WiFi?
Bring it with you!
Play games and stream away.
And while in a cheap park.
Or Wal-Docking, or boondocking.
Dont fret! Do what works!
Nuff said?
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09-08-2014, 07:21 PM
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We have experienced the same issues with almost every campground .
I sometimes pull into a hotel and use their free wifi.
Seems hotel wifi is better than Rv cpgrounds
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09-08-2014, 07:29 PM
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When they advertise they should say FREE UNDEPENDABLE WI FI. We got tired of poor connections plus the open networks are not secure. We use the wireless hotspot feature in our smartphone from Verizon to connect with our laptop we never had a bad connection.
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09-08-2014, 07:51 PM
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I agree with you Gordon. And good point on the other point of what other services a cg provides.
I am out with a client on a 45 city tour and 35 days into it I have yet to hit a hotel I can't stream in. I think for the most part any chain hotel is up to speed on it now. Of cours a year Ago and I believe only about half would I be able to.
But my point still stands that the tech is going that way, it frustrates me I can't buy my trusty Microsoft office software on a disc any more. Or half the music or movie that is 5 years old. They are all expecting us to get it on line and be dependent on things like wifi or yes I use my phone for internet to my computer as well.
Sorry I rambled Again
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09-08-2014, 08:51 PM
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If I got to a CG with Free WiFi, the first thing I do is run a speed test. If the speed is fast enough I use it, but if not I use my cellular service and hotspot capabilities. Most often the speed is too slow. I do use Tengo, (sp) and have no problem with the service.
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09-09-2014, 05:35 AM
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It will get better. Ten years ago Cell phone service was crappy and now look at it. As mentioned earlier hotels had to ensure good wifi service to attract the business traveler. Even though a lot of RVers do work from their traveling abode, the vast majority of campers are still recreational, so WIFI isn't a big priority for campground owners...yet. But if we all "mention-comment-explain" to the owners with the shoddy service that we were unhappy with the service, then the industry will come around. Especially when they start hearing the majority of people tell them "Your campground is great but I won't be back and won't recommend you because of the unusable WIFI"
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