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Dang. It's all Wayne's fault.
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10-10-2013, 05:47 PM
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Thanks for the great testimonial, Ron! Sounds like the Carryout won't disappoint. Can I ask if you have plugged it into the cable inlet on your RV?
Also, do you ever lose signal when it's raining?? How does it perform in bad weather?
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Rain fade is common with all satellite systems. It depends on the amount of rain in the air and the direction it is coming from. The rain drops block the signal. I have gottne satellite during a hurricane but not for long! It was when the eye was passing. All dishs are affected by rain fade.
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10-11-2013, 05:08 AM
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i have a question about the tailgater . i have seern several new ones and they are in a clear plastic dome. does this make them able to better receive a signal .
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10-11-2013, 10:16 AM
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Damon Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Clear housing?! That's just cool! You can watch all the parts move.
I have seen those on-line and at retailers, but I think they are only for demonstration.
Please share if you find some for sale.
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10-14-2013, 07:00 PM
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We're full timers. We have the Dish VIP211K receiver and the Winegard carry out MP1. We've not had any problems and we never have to worry about tree in a camp ground.
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11-12-2013, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by billyb
i have a question about the tailgater . i have seern several new ones and they are in a clear plastic dome. does this make them able to better receive a signal .
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Have you seen the clear ones for sale, or just demo? That sounds cool.
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11-12-2013, 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by R1Kirby
We're full timers. We have the Dish VIP211K receiver and the Winegard carry out MP1. We've not had any problems and we never have to worry about tree in a camp ground.
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Good to know, thanks.
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11-12-2013, 09:33 AM
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Have you seen the clear ones for sale, or just demo? That sounds cool.
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Saw one on You Tube...pretty sure the ones with a clear housing are for demo.
Safe travels
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11-12-2013, 09:52 AM
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I'm going to chime in here a little even though this thread has been going for a while.
All products have pros and cons. One excels where another falls short, and the roles can reverse in other situations.
All satellie antennas can generate more signal strength with a larger reflector that is properly designed. The size and shape of the reflector depend on how many satellites it is designed to view and their location in orbit relative to each other. In the case of "Dome" antennas, the reflector is designed to focus one point in space to the LNB. These reflectors can be round, or elliptical ( low profile ), but the end result is, size matters. Even relatively small increases in reflector size can make large gains in signal strength.
This is the premise behind the Winegard Anser and Pathway, these two antennas have larger reflectors and gather more signal, which allows them to work very well as single satellite antennas for DirecTV standard definition ( 101 ) and for Dish Network using ( 72 ). These two antennas offer more signal strength than the Carryout, or Tailgater/VuQube, and again, allows you to use Dish 72 on two tuners, for almost all channels without having the complication of toggling between 110, 119 and 129.
The color and shape of the "dome" do not have any direct correlation to signal strength, other than the difference in collecting water drops, dew, frost, moisture, etc.
On coax length......
The problem biggest problem with "long" coax for satelite use is not signal strength, it is the DC voltage passed from the receiver to the LNBs to control the polarity of the LNBs. The LNBs are toggled by switching between 13 and 18 volts. as the coax gets longer, there is voltage loss/drop from one one of the coax to the other. if the voltage drops too far, the LNBs and receiver can't react properly together... When you use an antenna that receives it's operational power from the coax, then this problem is exaggerated even more, since the antenna electronics draw more current thant he LNBs, and hence causes even more voltage drop.
Using RG6 coax helps reduce that voltage drop by using larger conductors and better shields. You are also better off keeping connections to a minumum, as each connection causes additional voltage loss. The maximum coax length is not a hard number, however, at some point things just won't work. If you operate constantly at the "fringe" of coax length, you are simply asking for trouble, and potentially damaging the LNB's or receiver.
Satellite TV in the RV environment is always some sort of compromise, you just have to decide what is most important to you. What works great for one person may not be the ideal setup for you.
I'm always available to help.
Don
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11-12-2013, 09:54 AM
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Update on the Dish Tailgater. Spoke with King Controls, maker of the Tailgater recently. They changed the design of the feet for the Tailgater for the third time. New models will again have mounting feet of them that will allow the tailgater to be mounted. If this is a requirement for you be sure and check with the seller to ensure you get the configuration you want.
Galllery:
http://casitaadventures.smugmug.com/Casita-Adventures
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11-12-2013, 10:00 AM
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The clear dome unit that I saw was at myrtle beach, and the fellow told me he bougt it from camping world and thats the way they had them.
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11-12-2013, 10:58 AM
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I have to agree with all the positive statements about the tailgater. But, sat 72? I haven't heard of that one and my Dish receiver manual doesn't mention it. Any more info on that? I've had a few problems loosing signal in the rainy northwest, especially 129, so I have an iPhone app to help me point it correctly. I don't mind the one channel at a time, and I run the channel 3 output into the BOMB to the bedroom TV. Sure, it's RVing and not camping... But too much TV kinda goes against my grain!
This has been a good thread with lots of info. I'm going to run an RG6 down to the entertainment bay, it's a lot shorter than the outside cable hook up forty feet back by the electrical hookups. Oh, and I got the tailgater *free* when I signed up for Dish at home!
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11-12-2013, 11:09 AM
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Damon Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
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Originally Posted by Falcon190
I have to agree with all the positive statements about the tailgater. But, sat 72? I haven't heard of that one and my Dish receiver manual doesn't mention it. Any more info on that? I've had a few problems loosing signal in the rainy northwest, especially 129, so I have an iPhone app to help me point it correctly. I don't mind the one channel at a time, and I run the channel 3 output into the BOMB to the bedroom TV. Sure, it's RVing and not camping... But too much TV kinda goes against my grain!
This has been a good thread with lots of info. I'm going to run an RG6 down to the entertainment bay, it's a lot shorter than the outside cable hook up forty feet back by the electrical hookups. Oh, and I got the tailgater *free* when I signed up for Dish at home!
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Dish SAT 72 ( EKB: Dish Network Channels at 72.7°) is an Eastern Arc bird.
See a coverage map here: http://www.irv2.com/forums/f53/satel...ml#post1592605
The Tailgater does not link to Eastern Arc SAT's, unless someone does some tweeking to it...which should not be a problem for users the NorthWest US.
Safe travels
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11-12-2013, 11:42 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2011
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Originally Posted by TVforMyRV
I'm going to chime in here a little even though this thread has been going for a while.
All products have pros and cons. One excels where another falls short, and the roles can reverse in other situations.
All satellie antennas can generate more signal strength with a larger reflector that is properly designed. The size and shape of the reflector depend on how many satellites it is designed to view and their location in orbit relative to each other. In the case of "Dome" antennas, the reflector is designed to focus one point in space to the LNB. These reflectors can be round, or elliptical ( low profile ), but the end result is, size matters. Even relatively small increases in reflector size can make large gains in signal strength.
This is the premise behind the Winegard Anser and Pathway, these two antennas have larger reflectors and gather more signal, which allows them to work very well as single satellite antennas for DirecTV standard definition ( 101 ) and for Dish Network using ( 72 ). These two antennas offer more signal strength than the Carryout, or Tailgater/VuQube, and again, allows you to use Dish 72 on two tuners, for almost all channels without having the complication of toggling between 110, 119 and 129.
The color and shape of the "dome" do not have any direct correlation to signal strength, other than the difference in collecting water drops, dew, frost, moisture, etc.
On coax length......
The problem biggest problem with "long" coax for satelite use is not signal strength, it is the DC voltage passed from the receiver to the LNBs to control the polarity of the LNBs. The LNBs are toggled by switching between 13 and 18 volts. as the coax gets longer, there is voltage loss/drop from one one of the coax to the other. if the voltage drops too far, the LNBs and receiver can't react properly together... When you use an antenna that receives it's operational power from the coax, then this problem is exaggerated even more, since the antenna electronics draw more current thant he LNBs, and hence causes even more voltage drop.
Using RG6 coax helps reduce that voltage drop by using larger conductors and better shields. You are also better off keeping connections to a minumum, as each connection causes additional voltage loss. The maximum coax length is not a hard number, however, at some point things just won't work. If you operate constantly at the "fringe" of coax length, you are simply asking for trouble, and potentially damaging the LNB's or receiver.
Satellite TV in the RV environment is always some sort of compromise, you just have to decide what is most important to you. What works great for one person may not be the ideal setup for you.
I'm always available to help.
Don
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Lots of great info there, Don. Thanks very much! I'm thinking the Pathway x2 will be the best choice for us.
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