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Old 08-09-2018, 08:39 AM   #15
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Btw you can download Netflix shows (not all) to your computer or iPad... the only bad thing about that is they don’t let you cast to a screen with it... (*i think)


Mine won't [emoji35]

I really want to do things legal like and whatnot but a plex server full of downloaded movies would certainly make me hassle with DRM nonsense less often. [emoji35]
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:40 AM   #16
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I would the think the cost of the bandwidth would be high for the campground

I would say it would nice if they had two separate systems, regular WiFi and streaming wifi.. streaming WiFi on a separate WiFi network costs extra per day, here’s your password
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:05 AM   #17
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I mostly agree with this and have worked in IT for over 30 years.

I was thinking about this topic this AM most hotels offer wifi and in most cases it works reasonably. I would not say tv streaming quality but working from the road many years in sales i would say good enough for business. In contrary most campgrounds i would say during the same period have had wifi in most cases not hardly good enough to even check email. I can say this because we travel partly in the motorhome for business and partly in hotels for the last 7 years.

Recently we have modified our travel schedule to be 95% travel in the motorhome with this decision we knew being connected was critical to being able to do this. So we started testing many options, Phones, hotspots, campgrounds using booster technology(mostly because we always here we have good service your computer just cannot connect because it is too far to reach the antenna), mobely and recently ubifi. Since being connected was very important i wasted a lot of money on different tech items that worked or did not.

Campground wifi:
1. Rarely works well and is always impacted by other people in the campground. I generally would say i see the repeaters and equipment most use and frankly we use the same things in an office they are trying to use this equipment to support 30+- sites per point in office setting when we hit 10-12 we push the equipment over what it can real life handle. This equipment is not cheap and requires constant maintenance especially when pushed to the max limits. This is why most office setting still prefer wired connections.
2. Campgrounds generally are not managed by IT related folks and the overall cost in remote locations makes things even more prohibitive.
3. A lot have fiber available and have it making that available through out a large open area is not easy and keeping it working is even worse.
4. For campgrounds to have a good solutions i believe dedicated IT companys will need to setup and maintain the wifi systems again this will involve cost and may or may not be prohibitive
5. I do not think wifi in these places will be a real option for at least 3-5 years down the road imo

So since we ruled out wifi we started the mobile net route.

Most of the phone services we have had fall into three services Tmobile, verizon, and AT&T.

We tested Tmobile for about a year unlike many reporting here we had little trouble connecting, i actually thought we would move our phone services to them but ran into a snag that has nothing to do with the conversation but related to text messaging related to what i do for a living. Making us hold off on this.
Tmobile internet was never the best or fastest but generally would have meet the needs of what we needed mostly in the 5-10meg speeds.

Verizon mostly works everywhere except one local state recreation area where we boat it actually works as far as phone and text but the connection is 1x and has been that way for years. FYI tmobile and AT&T have 4g available at exactly the same spot. This item alone for us is important as we visit this location often it is close to home and is our recharge ourselves locations.

AT&T works about the same as verizon except one very important location my house.....Tmobile and Verizon both work great. AT&T will work with an external antenna or is you step outside my house inside is like 1 bar on and off. So having AT&T for phone service in my house is not going to work.

This put us into the hybrid solutions
1.We maintain Verizon for our phone services and one phone has unlimited which we rarely use
2. We have a wilson (prior version) like weeboost booster with external antenna
3. Internet we have mobely and it works great in most cases but a couple of items that cause me concern the limited number of connections, i have used a router in conjunction with it but kinda of a hassle and the what if they limit the connection after x amount. Now we have never ran into a situation that they have limited but they hung over us for a year. The other item is mobely has a very limited interface which band it decides to connect too is up to it. The lake was a very specific location where 700mhz is better connection but does not have an available bandwidth where as 1900mhz much faster. It would jump bank and forth without any reason
4. Recently last 2 months we added ubifi actually looking at replacing our home service and just using ubifi it is more or less the same as mobely but cost more and had not limits. The device it works with gave me the exra control more connections without having to hassle with things.

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It's all too easy for CG's to use this excuse without ever exploring their options. We've stayed at plenty of parks in the vicinity of metro areas where T3 lines, among other solutions, would be readily available. As for rural parks, a friend of mine owns an RV park in very rural SD and this year he was able to connect to fiber optic lines!

As for whether or not the cost would be affordable, a park with ~100 sites has 3,000 "site nights" available per month. Assuming a 50% occupancy factor, that's 1,500 customer-nights over which to spread the cost of improved wifi. A few dollar fee per night would result in quite a bit of money available for wifi.

If park owners are reluctant to increase overall rates, there's no reason why they can't make high speed wifi an extra cost option. Maybe a park with 100 sites has 15-20 high speed "slots" available at ~$10/night. I bet there would be lots of takers. It's quite feasible to set up wifi "channels" with bandwidth limits so that customers wouldn't infringe on the bandwidth of others.

Lastly, park owners could consider how much they spend on cable TV systems when more and more of their customers would prefer to stream their video or watch OTA HDTV. Apply the money now being spent on cable to better wifi.

Having interacted with hundreds of RV park owners at trade shows over the past year, I am hopeful that the younger generation of RV park owners, many of whom are taking over their businesses from aging parents, are bringing new attitudes towards this issue. Hopefully, the next few years will see real changes in the industry with respect to wifi.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:15 AM   #18
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Hi Joel-


I must respectfully disagree *at the current time* because it's still big $$ to get fibre or even a T3 to many locations and then provide a typical level of residential internet service, the kind most of us have at our S&B home base. What does it cost the local cable TV company to provision a neighborhood and provide the backbone for 40mb/s to each residence? They have 3 decades to recover those costs...


I can see many park owners not wanting to make the requisite investment, particularly when their mind set is about being outdoors or directly involved with other campers and tourist-type activities. I expect younger RVers and eventual camp ground owners to change this outlook over time but it will require more folks passing away or retiring from RV life to get there.


It will happen, too, because of the Internet of Things - things that are already making their way into the luxury coaches - that will need to be connected in order to provide the owner experience we've come to expect - and those will make their way into more moderately priced units eventually.


Streaming video is the biggest user of bandwidth and until the camp grounds get bigger pipes and more available ones and zeros, streamers will continue to make park WiFi a lousy experience for most RVers.
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Old 08-09-2018, 04:02 PM   #19
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I'm at a campground right now with 40Mbps download.

But... there are only 4 sites.

Sorry, but it's awesome especially since there is no cell coverage so I can use wifi calling.

And I'm not even going to have time to stream anything.
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And here on the farm in northern Wisconsin I am getting 1.48 GB on AT&T and that made it hard to watch the live video release of the Samsung Note 9.
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And when you are figuring costs assume that connectivity is priced by the year not the month. The company expects to sell a full year of service or nothing. The RV park needs a couple of months of full use and a couple more of shoulder season but they will be paying for 12 months of whatever maximum bandwidth they buy. Whatver they supply will be hit by almost every person in the park when one considers all the smart phones and tablets each streaming video even if all they think they are doing is web browsing while ignoring those little moving pictures.

It's been a while since I needed to know so I looked up a T3 or DS3 channel bandwidth. It's 44.736 MB or roughly 10-15 channels of video. (I think that is less than the average cable connection provides.) It will cost ~ $36,000 per year. It can handle 672 voice channels but would be expected to be sufficient for several times that number of users.

The Telco may only provision the Local Office in a rural area with 1 T3 for the geography covered. Copper wire has length limits that set the maximum geographic size of a lightly populated area. That would require them to increase the backbone feed to the LO in order to feed a campground.

My point with a lot of this is that it's one thing to talk over what would be nice and then to get into the nitty gritty. The cable companies have higher bandwidth but are very reluctant to get into rural areas. The Telco is already in rural areas but probably not with the bandwidth folks seem to assume is readily available. Their system is also significantly more expensive partly because it is significantly more reliable and partly because it is different technology. Both technologies expect fairly fast payback of whatever they change to accommodate a customer.
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Old 08-10-2018, 08:09 AM   #22
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Yes, Netflix has an offline mode , look around I. The iPad app, but I know you can do the same from a browser and Netflix .com... but moving to a plex server, no
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What I saw was that Netflix cut a deal with Apple and Microsoft to protect the DRM on their movies. That is why only recent versions of the Apple OS and Win 10 are allowed to download from Netflix. Neither system will do much if anything more than just let the user watch the video. That is all Netflix wants to provide. Download, watch, dump for something new.
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I use a wifiranger in dynamic mode that "boosts" my bandwidth when needed using my unlimited (in theory) lte hotspot. Wifi for the slow stuff and fire up cellular for the bandwidth intensive things.
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I use a wifiranger in dynamic mode that "boosts" my bandwidth when needed using my unlimited (in theory) lte hotspot. Wifi for the slow stuff and fire up cellular for the bandwidth intensive things.
To be precise, the Ranger's dynamic mode doesn't actually boost your bandwidth. It lets you shift to cellular for activities that require a faster connection. Each connection retains it's own rated speed.
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To be precise, the Ranger's dynamic mode doesn't actually boost your bandwidth. It lets you shift to cellular for activities that require a faster connection. Each connection retains it's own rated speed.
That. Thanks docj for the clarification.
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