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06-26-2014, 06:01 PM
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WiFi @ RV Parks
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Originally Posted by cowrv39
. It boils down to education of the owner and a company that has the knowledge to solve the problem for a reasonable cost.
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This has been mentioned several times but nobody has presented a viable, implementable process that will make the education happen across all of the 1000s of campgrounds. This would be a possible commercial project of sizeable value, but there seems to be no interest.
That is why I bring my own capability. I always win.
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06-26-2014, 08:39 PM
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i have been told that sometimes its on our side,meaning RV 'ers our comp has to also get out not just receive its a 2 way street in & out, as comp has to talk to wifi going out as well as incoming
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06-27-2014, 05:24 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Santara
i have been told that sometimes its on our side,meaning RV 'ers our comp has to also get out not just receive its a 2 way street in & out, as comp has to talk to wifi going out as well as incoming
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That's is true and that's why repeater/amplifiers can help. But if a system is overloaded and doesn't have the bandwidth, nothing can help.
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06-27-2014, 07:28 AM
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agree , i know when i use my little amplifier on usb it does help
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06-27-2014, 07:53 AM
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We long ago determined as FTers that if we wanted good Wi-Fi we needed to have our own. Many, if not most, parks advertise Wi-Fi now days. However, if you consider how many have Wi-Fi that actually works decently-they get few and far between. We just consider it a bonus if we are somewhere with decent Wi-Fi, and thus don't deal with the frustration.
I have read that more parks are considering dumping their cable tv offerings, and using some of that savings to begin investing in Wi-Fi. Don't know if that will help, but it seems to make sense. Very few people today care about cable-most are happy with OTA or have their own satellite system. BUT-everyone wants Wi-Fi. Its much like phone service was not that many years ago. Parks that had phone connnections on their pedastals were very popular--today that is almost a irrelevant consideration for most.
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06-27-2014, 01:16 PM
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I used to be convinced that campground wifi was useless, but the last three parks we've been at on our current trip all had quite acceptable wifi and one was even a Canadian national park! The national park was in the middle of absolutely nowhere but it appeared to give each connected device a very stable ~1Mbps connection that was even good enough to stream video on despite its relatively slow speed.
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06-30-2014, 02:51 PM
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I have to think that wifi was originally offered so that folks could stay in touch with loved ones, check their email and maybe read the news. Lately, everyone is streaming Netflix and uploading Facebook videos ...well just hogging up all the bandwidth. The hoggers make it so bad, normally I can't even send an email to friends to let them know that I'm in town.
My opinion is, don't expect free camping internet to be as good as residential and stop hogging all the bandwidth...what little there is should be shared.
Just my 2 cents
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06-30-2014, 08:35 PM
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I have to agree with the others that have suggested to bring your own internet. We are just casual RV campers with our 3 young girls. We mostly surf after the girls go to bed and either use whatever cellular coverage that we have in range. We aren't streaming video though or anything like that. We are mainly catching up on email and social media sites we frequent. Even weak cellular coverage is sadly frequently better than CG wifi.
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07-01-2014, 05:23 AM
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This may have been mentioned previously, sorry if it is a duplicate.
Most campgrounds are much bigger in size than a hotel/motel. These campgrounds would require more numerous repeaters to get the signal to all areas. Also many hotels/motels use direct wired Ethernet connections as well as WiFi with repeaters.
In the northern states, many campgrounds are only open about 6 months a year, so the funds to upgrade a WiFi system may not be available. They have to set priorities. Just the opposite is that many southern campgrounds do not get a lot of customers when the snowbirds head north. By their vary construction, most hotels/motels are open year around.
Those campgrounds that advertise WiFi on their web sites should be called to task if that WiFi is only available in the office. Put that info on the web site. Some of us DO look at that info when deciding on a campground. It is one variable that may distinguish one campground over another. Many of the better RV Resorts do provide WiFi to all sites, but these tend to be sporatic around the country.
The bottom line is if WiFi is very important to you, you should take measures to provide your own WiFi or get boosters that help bring in weak signals.
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07-01-2014, 07:55 AM
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I'll probably offend someone with this, but...
I've observed that many RV'ers are incredibly inconsiderate/irresponsible with WiFi use. I realize that many don't know any better but that is a poor excuse. Streaming movies, downloading huge quantities of data, etc... affect the entire network and everyone using it. It would sure be nice if, at a minimum, people would reduce image sizes before emailing them, schedule big downloads for 'off hours', and stop streaming movies (most people in a motel are watching the tv).
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07-01-2014, 07:57 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jfnm
i'll probably offend someone with this, but...
I've observed that many rv's are incredibly inconsiderate/irresponsible with wifi use. I realize that many don't know any better but that is a poor excuse. Streaming movies, downloading huge quantities of data, etc... Affect the entire network and everyone using it. It would sure be nice if, at a minimum, people would reduce image sizes before emailing them, schedule big downloads for 'off hours', and stop streaming movies (most people in a motel are watching the tv).
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thank youuuuu!
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07-01-2014, 03:18 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Online_17
I have to think that wifi was originally offered so that folks could stay in touch with loved ones, check their email and maybe read the news. Lately, everyone is streaming Netflix and uploading Facebook videos ...well just hogging up all the bandwidth. The hoggers make it so bad, normally I can't even send an email to friends to let them know that I'm in town.
My opinion is, don't expect free camping internet to be as good as residential and stop hogging all the bandwidth...what little there is should be shared.
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With all due respect, the use of the internet has changed dramatically in the past several years. Fewer and fewer people use it just to check email. If that's all you use it for, I think you're in the minority. IMHO it's naive to think that people will change their internet usage behaviors because of a perceived sense of "fairness".
This topic gets repeated endlessly on forums such as this and rarely have I seen a CG owner discussing the actual expenditures made on a per-customer basis for wifi. In the few cases where I have seen data the amount actually spent on wifi is quite low on a per customer, per night basis. CG owners like to talk about how much they have invested in wifi hardware, but rarely do they seem willing to talk about how much they are paying on a monthly basis for the back-haul necessary to provide adequate internet capability for their customers.
There's also a claim that many CG's are in locations where high speed internet is not available, but in many cases these assertions are based on DSL and/or cable availability. I've yet to see a discussion of the cost of providing multiple T3's, yet when I've spoken to some telecom personnel about the cost of doing so the costs don't seem unreasonable on a per-customer basis.
I have read that some CG owners are beginning to realize that if they didn't spend as much providing cable service (which is often of poor quality and consists only of a small number of channels) they could increase the capability of their wifi and make it possible for customers to stream TV rather than watch it via cable. As more and more people become accustomed to getting their TV via streaming, this may be an idea with a lot of merit.
One of these days, smart CG owners are going to realize that there's a market, at least at family CGs, for true broadband capability. Those that figure it out, IMO, will change the marketplace.
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07-02-2014, 01:14 PM
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Joel, with all due respect, you are misinformed about availability of bandwidth to many campgrounds. In this area, for example - and I only use it as an example, it is repeated widely - I can ONLY get DSL, and ONLY get 10 mbps on each DSL "line". I currently have three separate lines - one dedicated to the office, and the other two bonded together servicing 135 RV sites through 7 APs. NO OTHER provision is available through the phone company for Internet. And they will not allow us more DSL lines than we have. For any amount of money.
I agree with you that the cost per client is pretty low. I know what that number is here, and at my former client base. But if you do not have the backhaul, you really have no choice.
In our case at this location we are going to have fiber ( 1 gig) available shortly. Not from the phone company - although they have dark fiber just outside our office. But from an independent small ISP that is installing it. At that point - assuming it works as it should - I will remove all blocks from our network and people can stream. Until we have an issue.
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07-02-2014, 05:30 PM
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In case you wanted to know what amount of data people normally use in their homes, this does have some interesting numbers in it - Amazon Is Fixing An Annoying Flaw With Fire TV- Yes I know it's mostly about the Fire TV but it does have data numbers I thought were amusing and now there's a little more understanding of why people just think "I can do what I want cause at home I do this and this"
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