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07-29-2016, 02:55 PM
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Air conditioning problems in the desert
I just made a journey from Arizona to Calif during daytime temps of 110 degrees. Ran the generator so I could run the rooftop air conditioners to supplement the dash AC. After about 4hrs, the rooftop units were blowing hot air and my dash AC was just barely cool and eventually just blew hot air also. I was dreading getting to our campground and having to find service on both AC systems. However, after parking and hooking up, the rooftops started cooling again and worked fine for a week. Then on the return home the same story as they started blowing hot air after about 4 hours in the extreme heat. Is this normal when driving through such hot temps?
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07-29-2016, 03:05 PM
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It sounds like was is called a freeze up. The unit develops ice and stops cooling. A fairly common condition with some AC units when working continuously. When it happens, usually if it is shut down for several minutes, the ice thaws and it will cool again.
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07-29-2016, 03:22 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Utahsooner
I just made a journey from Arizona to Calif during daytime temps of 110 degrees. Ran the generator so I could run the rooftop generators to supplement the dash AC. After about 4hrs, the rooftop units were blowing hot air and my dash AC was just barely cool and eventually just blew hot air also. I was dreading getting to our campground and having to find service on both AC systems. However, after parking and hooking up, the rooftops started cooling again and worked fine for a week. Then on the return home the same story as they started blowing hot air after about 4 hours in the extreme heat. Is this normal when driving through such hot temps?
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Utahsooner
Air conditioners can only blow out air 15-20 degrees cooler than they're drawing in.
In 110 degree weather at highway speed a coach cabin looses a lot of cool air and gains a lot of hot air especially if the sun is shining.
Methinks you are simply expecting more from your A/C units than they can deliver.
See: https://www.google.com/#q=how+to+measure+delta+t+hvac
Mel
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07-29-2016, 03:25 PM
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That does make sense especially since both systems did return to working after being shut off. Sure makes travel through hot areas difficult if AC is only good for about 4 hours. Hopefully the extreme hot was the culprit as I have never had trouble in semi hot 90ish etc. weather. The dash AC has never worked great and freightliner had to fix it right after I purchased it new. I have never had this problem in my car dash AC when driving in the high desert temps so wondered if the RV dash AC might be a lemon.
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07-29-2016, 03:51 PM
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If traveling in the desert.
Roof top air conditioner, the temperature differential from supply and return is 10 degree per 1200 to 1500 BTUs'. If high humidity, then it is lower.
Your Dash air, should produce about 46 to 55 degrees from the supply vent.
Now, if everything got to blowing hot air, then possible you had the blowers set on LOW speed, this just helps in the freeze up. Moisture - on the coils.
Next time keep blowers on HIGH.
Finally, it is possible your units are low on Freon, this will cause the same condition.
Or maybe the drain tubes are clogged.
Another option while driving keep all your windows shades down, or cut and install Reflective Insulation on the windows. Buy a roll from HD or Lowe's. Much cheaper that way.
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07-29-2016, 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorcq
If traveling in the desert.
Now, if everything got to blowing hot air, then possible you had the blowers set on LOW speed, this just helps in the freeze up. Moisture - on the coils.
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However desert conditions are extremely LOW humidity
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07-29-2016, 04:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gatorcq
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Your Dash air, should produce about 46 to 55 degrees from the supply vent..
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gatorcq
Where did you hear that?
Wondering
Mel
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07-29-2016, 04:10 PM
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Driving thru the desert, we were very successful by putting wet (damp) towels on the dash. Adding a little humidity to the air really helped. They do dry out quickly...
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07-29-2016, 05:04 PM
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I would think that your newer rig would do a little better than that. i have no dash air and my rooftop unit is bearable. I always travel through the desert in the early morning hours and try to make it quickly as possible into a cooler area. I have additional fans running to keep the air moving. I precool the rv down a couple of hours before departure. Other than that it is really hot here.
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07-29-2016, 09:25 PM
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I guess that I expected my AC to be a "refrigerator" at any temp. Learned from you that it is not the case and I will rethink my travel through the ultra high temps. Thanks to all that responded. Again, since I only have about 20k miles and not an avid user I would think that the equipment should not be at fault "yet". But that is probably not a very bright assumption! huh??
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07-30-2016, 05:53 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Utahsooner
I guess that I expected my AC to be a "refrigerator" at any temp. Learned from you that it is not the case and I will rethink my travel through the ultra high temps. Thanks to all that responded. Again, since I only have about 20k miles and not an avid user I would think that the equipment should not be at fault "yet". But that is probably not a very bright assumption! huh??
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Do this test:
After the roof air has been running for about 20 minutes continuously, measure the temperature of the air being sucked into the return air duct, then take a temperature reading of the cool air blowing out the return duct. A unit running normally will produce a difference in these temperatures of 15-18 degrees F.
This test eliminates variables such as how well the rig is insulated, heat gain from sun, etc and just measures the AC's ability to transfer heat.
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