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11-14-2018, 04:29 AM
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Hard-wired surge protectors.....all equal?
I am looking at having a hard-wired surge protector put in my new coach when it comes in. I have two main contenders that look pretty much identical except for the little system monitor that goes inside the coach. I was hoping some of you could clue me in (in small words, please) on any differences, or your experiences with the products.
In the left corner, wearing all black, Progressive Industries' EMS HW50C.
In the right corner, wearing black and orange, Surge Guard HW-35550-50A.
Both are for 50A.
I'm a total noob, so break it down Barney-style for me. Both seem to protect from high/low voltage which I was initially told only the Surge Guard did.
Thanks in advance!
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11-14-2018, 04:43 AM
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[QUOTE=Allentc2;4498843]I am looking at having a hard-wired surge protector put in my new coach when it comes in. I have two main contenders that look pretty much identical except for the little system monitor that goes inside the coach. I was hoping some of you could clue me in (in small words, please) on any differences, or your experiences with the products.
In the left corner, wearing all black, Progressive Industries' EMS HW50C.
In the right corner, wearing black and orange, Surge Guard HW-35550-50A.
Both are for 50A.
I'm a total noob, so break it down Barney-style for me. Both seem to protect from high/low voltage which I was initially told only the Surge Guard did.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE
Progressive industries seems to have a loyal following with excellent customer support but I do not believe they protect or protect as well as a Hughes Auto-former will against low voltage. I installled my Hughes next to the cord reel with plugs incase something happens I can simply unplug it and plug the reel into transfer switch and I’m good to go.
I would never leave the autoformer plugged into the campsite pedestal as it is not waterproof and fear of it growing legs.
The Hughes is the best in protecting against low voltage in my opinion and combine that with the Progressive and you should be well protected.
Enjoy your travels
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11-14-2018, 05:02 AM
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Progressive industries unit has a lifetime warranty. The other does not.
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11-14-2018, 05:13 AM
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I have the Surge Guard model you mentioned with the monitor mounted in the coach. It was recommended by the dealer since they had more experience with the unit. It works fine and has actually shut down power to the coach twice during low voltage events in our Campsite.
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11-14-2018, 03:28 PM
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No contest! Go with the HW50C! Even if everything else was equal, it has a lifetime warranty and a reputation for fantastic customer support!
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11-14-2018, 04:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pasdad1
Progressive industries unit has a lifetime warranty. The other does not.
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Yes. Just make sure that you keep the original receipt for future warranty work.
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11-15-2018, 06:49 AM
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I believe Surge Guard now has a lifetime warranty also, I still would go with the Progressive industry unit. I will be upgrading my shore power system this coming summer with a Glendenning power reel, 50 Amp hard wired Progressive Industries unit and IF I can find the room the Hughes Auto Transformer. The last will be a nice to have not a necessity as I do have my Generator for emergency's. The Progressive will PROTECT the coach electrical equipment in the event of low or high voltage as well as other electrical problems. The Hughes will boost low voltage to keep you running in case of low voltage, but will not protect you for high voltage or other problems. It will provide visual indication of a problem when you hook up but will not take action if a problem develops after hook up.
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11-15-2018, 06:59 AM
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Check the warranties on both, that, and cost, will likely be the deciding factor.
If they both 'turn off' with either high or low voltage, then performance is likely equal.
If performance and warranty are equal, then don't discount that little remote monitor. It's a nice to have, not a must have, but there have been times when I wished I had one so that I could see what it's doing.
Just be sure and get one that protects for low voltage. Both brands have less expensive models that only protect for high voltage, you want both low and high protection.
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11-15-2018, 07:14 AM
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[QUOTE=lenny-shawna;4498856]
Quote:
Originally Posted by Allentc2
I am looking at having a hard-wired surge protector put in my new coach when it comes in. I have two main contenders that look pretty much identical except for the little system monitor that goes inside the coach. I was hoping some of you could clue me in (in small words, please) on any differences, or your experiences with the products.
In the left corner, wearing all black, Progressive Industries' EMS HW50C.
In the right corner, wearing black and orange, Surge Guard HW-35550-50A.
Both are for 50A.
I'm a total noob, so break it down Barney-style for me. Both seem to protect from high/low voltage which I was initially told only the Surge Guard did.
Thanks in advance![/QUOTE
Progressive industries seems to have a loyal following with excellent customer support but I do not believe they protect or protect as well as a Hughes Auto-former will against low voltage. I installled my Hughes next to the cord reel with plugs incase something happens I can simply unplug it and plug the reel into transfer switch and I’m good to go.
I would never leave the autoformer plugged into the campsite pedestal as it is not waterproof and fear of it growing legs.
The Hughes is the best in protecting against low voltage in my opinion and combine that with the Progressive and you should be well protected.
Enjoy your travels
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Hughes Auto trans and Progressive EMS are two totally different animals. But the two in combination are unbeatable. Autotrans purpose in life is to increase voltage. EMS can't do that. EMS is for protection. Does more than the Autotrans.
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11-15-2018, 07:24 AM
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Even though PI offers lifetime warranty, I've read a number of complaints where warranty replacement was denied, FWIW.
The optional remote readout on the SurgeGuard allows you to see what's going on at any given moment and if it shuts the system down you know why. Also, if you have any one of these two hardwired in make sure it's accessible and easy to disconnect or bypass mainly for troubleshooting purposes and just in case.
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11-15-2018, 07:40 AM
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Had the PI 50 w/remote in last Suites--hard to beat its performance. Remote readout inside near rest of controls. Easy to check what each appliance draws in amps, and what leg of 50amp the appliance is on. If DIY, it isn't too hard to do if you have some space and can work with very stiff wiring.
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11-15-2018, 03:14 PM
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I have always touted PI, but . . .
I recently sent one back that (1) was labeled 50 amp on the front and 30 amp on the back, and (2) it kept cutting off after a short duration after opening the "gate." The guy at PI stated "Oh yeah, we got a batch like that from (city in Mexico which I don' remember). The PI production is now sourced in Mexico. My box indicated that it was "designed" in the U.S.
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11-16-2018, 05:59 AM
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Another related question....
I emailed the guy doing my solar panel install (RV Solar Solutions) and asked if they could also do surge protectors, etc. He said yes, and recommended the Surge Guard. I asked that he include that and the interior monitor as well. Then I got to thinking about that Hughes Autoformer.
Now I don't have my coach yet. Newmar is building it and I won't actually lay hands on it until April or so. I have NO idea what sort of space I have to work with. I assume fitting the surge protector in there is no biggy. That autoformer thing though....just judging by the looks of it, it looks like it is hardwired into the coach (in my case, into the surge protector) then at the site, it would be pulled out and plugged in to the pedestal? Is that correct? So I'd also need a length of cable between the autoformer and the surge protector. Will I have room for all that in a 2019 Bay Star 3401??
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11-17-2018, 04:10 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Allentc2
Another related question....
I emailed the guy doing my solar panel install (RV Solar Solutions) and asked if they could also do surge protectors, etc. He said yes, and recommended the Surge Guard. I asked that he include that and the interior monitor as well. Then I got to thinking about that Hughes Autoformer.
Now I don't have my coach yet. Newmar is building it and I won't actually lay hands on it until April or so. I have NO idea what sort of space I have to work with. I assume fitting the surge protector in there is no biggy. That autoformer thing though....just judging by the looks of it, it looks like it is hardwired into the coach (in my case, into the surge protector) then at the site, it would be pulled out and plugged in to the pedestal? Is that correct? So I'd also need a length of cable between the autoformer and the surge protector. Will I have room for all that in a 2019 Bay Star 3401??
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Don't waste your money on a Surge Protector. That's all it protects from Surges. Get an EMS and an autotransformer. Surge and EMS are two different animals.
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