Towing a Camper w/a Tesla

[winniman]

Originally Posted by radar

I think hydrogen is a cool concept, the problem seems in affordable accessibility. Electricity is available in every household and with no special handling or safety issues. I do think Hydtogen has some great future commercial applications.

Probably three quarters of the worlds pollution is caused by production of electricity, and the factories that use it. It is not without a price, especially if its created by nuclear power. We are going to be paying that bill back for thousands of years.

[radar]

Originally Posted by winniman

Probably three quarters of the worlds pollution is caused by production of electricity, and the factories that use it. It is not without a price, especially if its created by nuclear power. We are going to be paying that bill back for thousands of years.

In Alberta alone the taxpayers are on the hook for 70 billion dollars of expense to decommission well sites. And they argue that the oil industry is not subsidized.

In a 1000 years taxpayers will be paying to store depleted nuclear fuel that we are using today.

[DirtRider]

Originally Posted by radar

In Alberta alone the taxpayers are on the hook for 70 billion dollars of expense to decommission well sites. And they argue that the oil industry is not subsidized.

In a 1000 years taxpayers will be paying to store depleted nuclear fuel that we are using today.

I read the article I think you're referencing, and there's some very confusing information there. It looked like it said there are 100,000 total wells to be abandoned, but only something like 3,000 were "orphan" wells--wells that no existing company owns. They don't stop being the company's problem until that company completely stops existing, and there is no buyer for the property. So, if I'm reading that right, $70B is the total cost of cleanup, not the government's share.

[radar]

Originally Posted by DirtRider

I read the article I think you're referencing, and there's some very confusing information there. It looked like it said there are 100,000 total wells to be abandoned, but only something like 3,000 were "orphan" wells--wells that no existing company owns. They don't stop being the company's problem until that company completely stops existing, and there is no buyer for the property. So, if I'm reading that right, $70B is the total cost of cleanup, not the government's share.

I’ve read it from a couple different sources. It’s not clear how it will end up. Watchdog group is trying to keep tabs but it’s hard to track.

[ALLOY]

Originally Posted by radar

I think hydrogen is a cool concept, the problem seems in affordable accessibility. Electricity is available in every household and with no special handling or safety issues. I do think Hydtogen has some great future commercial applications.

Hydrogen isn't such a bad idea once the issues of plugging in a vehicle in are known.

Most people need a Level 2 charging station. These requires 50 amps.

Where does one get an additional 50amps at a RV site if the they have an electric toad?

In the last 100 years the electric service to buildings has not been sized for 50 amp plug ins. It is a big issue especally with strata units. In many cases in addition to the cost of installing the charging stations a strata finds out they are faced with the cost of upgrading the power (wire / conduit transformers / switching gear) from the sub station!

Hydrogen would be a good option for people that have to park on the street.

Cities are looking at mandating charging stations for new construction. For this a house will need a 400amp service. There is a significant increase in the cost and space requirements for a 400amp service.

[radar]

Originally Posted by ALLOY

Hydrogen isn't such a bad idea once the issues of plugging in a vehicle in are known.

Most people need a Level 2 charging station. These requires 50 amps.

Where does one get an additional 50amps at a RV site if the they have an electric toad?

In the last 100 years the electric service to buildings has not been sized for 50 amp plug ins. It is a big issue especally with strata units. In many cases in addition to the cost of installing the charging stations a strata finds out they are faced with the cost of upgrading the power (wire / conduit transformers / switching gear) from the sub station!

Hydrogen would be a good option for people that have to park on the street.

Cities are looking at mandating charging stations for new construction. For this a house will need a 400amp service. There is a significant increase in the cost and space requirements for a 400amp service.

Nope. Most electric vehicle users can do fine with a single 240 volt 20 amp circuit. Those with extremely long commutes (like greater than 300 km) may need a 40 amp circuit. The EVSE that comes with most vehicles (Tesla model 3 included) maxes out at 32 amps...so a 40 amp circuit.

We live in a town house. 100 amp service. We have two x level 2 chargers for our two EV’s. One is a 40 amp circuit for quicker charges (rarely needed). It’s in the garage. The other is a 12 amp 240 volt unit that does the vast majority of our charging. It’s at our outside parking spot.

[hillbilly3]

Microhydro is the most efficent, and economical to repair, but is limited where it can be installed. Same with wind, but not so economical to repair. Solar also has some limitations on where it can be used, and is not as free as they make it out to be, quite a bit of maintenance keeping the panels clean and a not so long lifetime of the panels. There has been talk of sending radioactive waste to the sun, but thats not efficient at this time either. I have installed a lot of commercial ev chargers, but as soon as the government funds run out, they fall into disrepair. The people that usually buy electric cars are not trading in Suburbans or F350 duallys for them, its usually small fuel efficent cars, so the payoff to the enviroment is not that great. The technology maybe here someday, but its not here yet.

[consolenut]

Originally Posted by radar

In Alberta alone the taxpayers are on the hook for 70 billion dollars of expense to decommission well sites. And they argue that the oil industry is not subsidized.

In a 1000 years taxpayers will be paying to store depleted nuclear fuel that we are using today.

Not true the newer nuclear design uses the spent fuel rods for fuel. No waste at all. put them in a storage tomb and move them