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Old 01-03-2007, 03:55 PM   #15
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hey man, ya'll forgot the parachutes.
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Old 01-03-2007, 05:23 PM   #16
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Hi there, Steve! Aren't you overdue for a change in your custom member title? How about "jester extraordinaire", as we don't got one for National yet. ED
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Old 01-05-2007, 03:59 PM   #17
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Ya know Ed, yer right. Thanks for bringing attention to my deficiancy.
I will make the appropriate changes forth with.

Ya know, I think I would like to start a NATIONAL RV forum, and guide it as a moderator. What do you think ?
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Old 01-05-2007, 05:27 PM   #18
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Dayum, i tried to get rid of that Monaco thingy and I erased my signiture

How does onr get rid of the custome member title? Grrrrrrr
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STEVE: YOU can edit your signature anytime. Only us high-powered Mods can give or take away a "custom member title". I'll be happy to do it for you, and I'm sorry if I contributed to your signature snafu.

As for your plea for a National forum....lets just say I ain't THAT powerful! But it is really nice of you to offer to moderate it....but then of course you would have to read and conform to the moderator code,

I know you can read, it is the conforming part that you might have trouble with! ED
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By golly I think I've got it!!

Stopping distance 60 to 0. UFO=189'; DP=238'
I'm assuming the DP stopped safely, otherwise it would have been reported in the test results. So obviously, I buy a UFO because I can drive faster since I still have a minimum of 49' for a safe stop.

I do have a couple of questions though. First, if both the UFO and DP hit the tree that was mentioned, which one stopped faster? Second, if the UFO and DP were driven backwards at 60mph would it have the same stopping distance as my front engine gasser?
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Bob Russo:
By golly I think I've got it!! </div></BLOCKQUOTE> Exactly!
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Something not mentioned here so far is that an exhaust or engine brake makes up for the inherent lack of braking assist in a diesel engine. A gas engine always provides "compression braking", whereas a diesel must have an additional device (e-brake) to get the same effect. Thus a gas engine utilizing a transmission grade brake (TGB) to harness its inherent compression braking is similar to a diesel with an e-brake and linked to the transmission for automatic downshifting. I'll grant, though, that the e-brakes used on diesels often produce a greater braking force than that inherent in gas engine.
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Old 01-08-2007, 04:06 PM   #24
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Come on Ed, since when haven't I been a good conformist. Life is about having fun ya know, not being grumpy like Driver, and Gregory.......
We need a National Forum. I have no one to antagonize now.

If both a UFO and a DP hit a tree going the same speed, the DP would win Now think about it and tell me why.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Jestme13:
Now think about it and tell me why. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>
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Wow, you guys sure have fun here...
What I would like to see would be a set of 3 or 4 consecutive 60-0 stops. I think it would be interesting to see how much the stopping distances change based on how much the brakes heat up and create some fading. Granted, this does not have much in emergency stopping distances but it would be interesting to see anyways.
Not to mention if there would be any funny brake smoke and smell

I would love to see a National section too. Especially since that is on the short list of Class A manufacturers I am looking at for an upgrade.
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RV 4 2, don't let DriVer hear you say that, he will hound you till the cows come home about workdogs, I mean workhorses. We just took delivery of a new National Pacifica, so far so good. The only issue I see with National is their very slow to respond to parts orders.
I'm new to MOHO w/air brakes and exhaust brakes so on occasion i do forget to flip the switch for the Jake, the result is that tell tale oder of smokin brakes I will get it down eventually.


Wadda ya think Old Posum Face.
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by RV 4 2:
Wow, you guys sure have fun here... What I would like to see would be a set of 3 or 4 consecutive 60-0 stops. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>I can do that, may I please submit the following.

Coach on Workhorse UFO™ 26,000 lb. GVWR loaded to 26,000 lb. Average stopping distance, 60 mph to 0 mph: 189 feet.*
Similar coach on competitor's 28,000 lb. GVWR rear diesel pusher with air brakes and loaded to 26,000 lbs. Average stopping distance, 60 mph to 0 mph: 238 feet.*

Difference: Workhorse UFO™ stopped 49 feet sooner.

Question: Which chassis would you rather be driving?
Just one more reason why the Workhorse UFO™ is the First Of Its Kind.

*Average of six runs
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