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Old 02-08-2014, 08:03 PM   #15
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I thought "Amish Built" was Newmar's claim, prior to the big dump in '08.

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Please describe " big dump in '08" Are you talking about the financial meltdown that led to a lot of MH MFG bankruptcies?? Fleetwood, Country Coach, National RV ( and subs) Monaco, Travel Supreme ( not Newmar, not Jayco, not Winnebago) So funny, the Amish in Indiana are so better off than the union folks in Detroit, run your Dolphin over to Elkhart county, you will see " help wanted" signs everywhere.
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:09 PM   #16
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No, it is bashing every salesman I run across claiming their RV is Amish built. It has nothing to do with the Amish themselves, but the false claims of the salesmen, companies, and their advertising.
At best it is a false assertion, or claim of quality.
I have relatives that work up there in various factories, and they are not Amish.They are just Kentucky men from Appalachia who went north to find work.
My bet is the management are not Amish, as I doubt you'll see a Amish guy setting in front of a computer doing CAD Cam engineering work.
You might see a Mennonite, but not an old Amish guy with a beard, and no electricity.
Just because a company employees some Amish guys does not make it Amish built anymore than it makes it Jewish Built, African American Built, Muslim Built, Baptist Built, Holy Roller Built, or Methodist Built.




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I'm not sure if there is something specific going on here - or this is general Amish bashing. We have guessed that you're referring to Jayco, Newmar, The Cooling Unit manufactured by Pines, Dave's house, handmade furniture,or the FROG Jelly we bought the last time we were in an Amish store. Can you clarify your complaint?
The jelly was great BTW
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Old 02-08-2014, 09:21 PM   #17
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^^^ have ya tried the jam?

Ok - I guess being out of the market and not dealing with many salesmen - I have not experienced what you're referring to - and Still don't know who pushes this as a sales talking point. I guess everyone.

I guess the one thing ya can be sure of is if it's Amish built / made - is it's made in America. Which brings us to the distinction between manufactured, built, assembled, constructed, made, etc.

Sorry ya have to put up with so much at your job. Sounds like it could drive a man to vilify an entire industry and group of people.
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F-R-O-G Jam

But did they use real frogs?

Did it come in 'smooth' and 'crunchy' like peanut butter?
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But did they use real frogs? Did it come in 'smooth' and 'crunchy' like peanut butter?
Dave, Carol, it is Fig, Raspberry, Orange, Ginger (FROG).
If was going to PA before the GC, I would bring some there!

And it is Amish and grand stuff!
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But did they use real frogs?

Did it come in 'smooth' and 'crunchy' like peanut butter?
No frogs were harmed in the Amish production of this fine Fig Raspberry Orange and Ginger Jam. Although various toasted and untoasted breads were destroyed during consumption.
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relax jeeery!!! If you don't like the product or the salesmen, hire a couple amish guys to build you a coach
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I just wish more Americans had the community values and work ethic of the Amish.
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Hi Fred,

Please describe " big dump in '08" Are you talking about the financial meltdown that led to a lot of MH MFG bankruptcies?? Fleetwood, Country Coach, National RV ( and subs) Monaco, Travel Supreme ( not Newmar, not Jayco, not Winnebago) So funny, the Amish in Indiana are so better off than the union folks in Detroit, run your Dolphin over to Elkhart county, you will see " help wanted" signs everywhere.
Yes, I was referring to the financial crisis, my understanding is that when the RV manufacturers had to let employees go, the Amish returned to their traditional lifestyles and didn't return to the RV industry.

No need to worry about traveling to IN, I was born there and not going back.

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Being somewhat of a quality person in a previous life, I guess I'd offer the following:
- It doesn't make any difference who builds it. If the dollars allocated for plywood, veneer and staples, whether Jayco or anyone else, then that's what you're going to get. If the time and dollars are allocated for solid wood cabinets, like you see in the Newmar and Entegra coaches, then that's what you're going to get. And Jayco/Entegra is Amish owned. But back to craftsmanship. The Amish are known for quality craftsmanship in their work; supposedly a cultural thing.
- Quality is both a management and an individual worker thing. If quality control at all levels is emphasized, then you'll find quality in the product. But there is a cost to quality and it usually amounts to about an extra 10% in a product. You saw it with kaizan in cars coming out of Japan in the 70-80s, and if you remember, Hondas were pretty expensive for what they were. people also paid a premium then and, IMHO, continue to pay it today.
- If quality control is emphasized, and if quality OEM and wood products are factored into the cost of a trailer, 5ver, or coach, then you'll see the difference...but don't expect $500K quality in a $20K trailer...that seems kinda silly.
- And don't confuse quality with quality control...two different animals.

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JerryP: My bet is the management are not Amish, as I doubt you'll see a Amish guy setting in front of a computer doing CAD Cam engineering work.
You might see a Mennonite, but not an old Amish guy with a beard, and no electricity.
Just because a company employees some Amish guys does not make it Amish built anymore than it makes it Jewish Built, African American Built, Muslim Built, Baptist Built, Holy Roller Built, or Methodist Built.
Hey Jerry,
I hate to burst your bubble... but check out the link to Newmar...

The Newmar Mission & Guiding Principles | Newmar

And note the presidents beard... Or talk to anyone that's visited the Newmar factory when the employees show up at 6 AM on their bicycles and horse drawn buggies...
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Mrusa I coulndt agree more!

I don't have any statistics as to how many amish people work for which MOHO companies but I would bet there are at least a few. That being said, i would also surmise that they might have a great work ethic and possibly take great pride in their work. Now, lets switch over to the subject of grape juice. On your next trip down the grocery aisle, pick up a few different bottles of grape juice and read the label. Some have less than x% of grape juice and use many other types of juice and flavors to come up with a product they still call grape. Based on the federal labeling guidelines of fruit juice I would argue that whatever the percentage of amish labor that goes into a coach, it can still be called amish built.
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Mrusa I coulndt agree more!

I don't have any statistics as to how many amish people work for which MOHO companies but I would bet there are at least a few. That being said, i would also surmise that they might have a great work ethic and possibly take great pride in their work. Now, lets switch over to the subject of grape juice. On your next trip down the grocery aisle, pick up a few different bottles of grape juice and read the label. Some have less than x% of grape juice and use many other types of juice and flavors to come up with a product they still call grape. Based on the federal labeling guidelines of fruit juice I would argue that whatever the percentage of amish labor that goes into a coach, it can still be called amish built.
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I love new mars mission statement! It will definitely sway me to look at their product. I knew about Entegra and that is the direction I am going due to their quality.
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