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Old 06-08-2012, 03:38 PM   #99
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Old 06-08-2012, 05:28 PM   #100
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Oh, heck yes, in addition to our two large, loud and protective dogs. The dogs are very gentle unless they feel threatened. If someone is stupid enough to try to get past them they will be staring into two barrels. We are friendly folks but both have arms and routinely visit firing ranges. We did recently add another weapon-a gun that fires pepper spray. Looks like the real thing and is quite handy at fuel stops where there may be other people and where we are close enough to the coach to make a mad dash into safety should the need arise.
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That was my concern too. I was in a local gunshop and talked to the owner. He pointed me towards something called safe ammo, similar to frangible rounds. Frangible ammo is generally reserved for Law Enforcement (or at least I was told), but the safe ammo will take care of the situation at hand, but if the round hits a wall (even sheetrock), the round will disintegrate.
Frangible ammo is ok for civilian use, I strongly encorage folks to use it, the life you save may be a loved one
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Frangible ammo is ok for civilian use, I strongly encorage folks to use it, the life you save may be a loved one
Frang and shot shells for my handguns for HD use.

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Frangible ammo not recommended for defense:

"The hype and claims are not always entirely true. In tests frangible ammunition fails to penetrate deep enough to damage a vital organ or tissue. Usually only 4 to 6 inches in ballistic gelatin before disintegration. These high velocity light weight bullets do not penetrate as well as heavy slow ones and disintegrate much to fast. They certainly transfer energy well, (shoot a watermelon with one, great fun) and are capable of stunning an attacker, but fall short in the penetration area. (12 inches penetration in ballistic gelatin is the minimum required by FBI)"

This is just a snippet from one site. But if you search for actual data from actual shootings and don't just believe the "studies" bought and paid for by ammo manufacturers, then you will likely come to the same conclusion. Frangible ammo is inconsistently effective, especially against people who are fat or who are wearing thick or multiple layers of clothing. When it comes to life or death situations, may I suggest sticking to what's been proven in real life.
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I'd consider a Frangible as the first round, after that HPs
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We did recently add another weapon-a gun that fires pepper spray. Looks like the real thing and is quite handy at fuel stops where there may be other people and where we are close enough to the coach to make a mad dash into safety should the need arise.

That is great to know, thanks!
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I was filling up very early in the morning in remote area of Kansas when a man came up to me and asked for gas money. I'm not sure what his intentions were but i was glad my hand was supporting a 9mm in my pocket. Very glad I didn't need it but I was glad I had it.
One of our "incidents" was in a Flying J truck stop in Mississippi. Broad daylight and I'm filling up the diesel. The"gentleman" pulled in beside us started "interview" while his buddy when around the back of the MH, around the toad was was coming up the passenger side. Fortunately, I was able to extricate us from the situation before it deteriorated.

For those who believe that CGs are safe, let me tell you about a Passport listed one in Murfreesboro, TN, about 25miles East of Nashville. It looked fine out in front by the office. I should have known to try some thing different when I pulled in 3 sites down from a school bus powered with orange extension cords to the post and window air conditions through the windows. It was one of the "never again" experiences.
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About thirty years ago we were camped at a lake on Barksdale AFB in a cab-over. As was my custom, I got up early, put on a pot of coffee, and went to check the fishing lines. I left the wife to catch a few more winks. As soon as I got in the boat and was out of sight of the camper, a guy opened the door to the camper and stepped in. My wife reached under her pillow and told the guy that he had 5 seconds to back out the door before she started shooting. He apparently believed her and left.

Since that time, we have always been armed, regardless of whether it was legal or not. We just do not advertise the fact that we have weapons, but we will not surrender our right to defend ourselves.
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Ditto. I learned that early on. Any bad guys who think we "mature" RVers are going to be an easy mark... well, Darwin just may take care of them.

"We" have to be among the most heavily armed demographics in the country and many (many) have combat training... and we have no shortage of independence and attitude. I hope the bad guys read RV forums.

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About thirty years ago we were camped at a lake on Barksdale AFB in a cab-over. As was my custom, I got up early, put on a pot of coffee, and went to check the fishing lines. I left the wife to catch a few more winks. As soon as I got in the boat and was out of sight of the camper, a guy opened the door to the camper and stepped in. My wife reached under her pillow and told the guy that he had 5 seconds to back out the door before she started shooting. He apparently believed her and left.

Since that time, we have always been armed, regardless of whether it was legal or not. We just do not advertise the fact that we have weapons, but we will not surrender our right to defend ourselves.
Just watch when you get in NE and Illinois. NJ, NY, Il and MD take a very dim view and award a lot of penalties to those who just want to defend themselves. I wish that equal penalties were awarded to those who make defending oneself necessary.

Even the Federal laws for legally transporting firearms are ignored in NJ and NY, let alone having them in a condition where they could be used in self defense. A loaded handgun in NJ or NY is going to get you a a big dose of jail time.
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I keep this book in my motorhome:

Gunlaws for the 50 States

It seems pretty authoritative.
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