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11-10-2018, 09:34 AM
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Location: Middle GA
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Beware Fees Toll Roads (407ETR) in Canada!
33 Ft Coachmen Mirada towing a 2016 Ford F150 pickup
On our last trip, we drove into Canada at Niagara Falls, spent a couple days in Toronto area, and out at Port Huron MI. We drove down highway 407 Express Toll Route (ETR). We saw some signs saying tolls are collected by camera and there are no toll booths. OK - sounds great!
Got a bill a couple of weeks after return home. $63.10 for driving my "Heavy Multiple Unit Vehicle" 6km on that road!
Distance(Km): 6.062
Toll: $6.15
Trip Toll charges: $3.00
Camera Charges: $50.00
Account Fee: $3.95
Total charges: $63.10
I protested to the government contractor that the $50 camera fee was unreasonable given I was not a "tractor pulling one or more trailers" (per their example online) and there were no warning signs about this fee. I got a "nice" email essentially saying pay it or we can fine you for not having a transponder as well.
I won't be touring Canada any more!
All total driving thru MD, NY, and Canada on this trip, I estimate $175 in tolls and fees including above. I may set my GPS to "avoid toll roads" next time. Towing a toad seems to cost significantly more than double the per-axle charge posted most places.
Never underestimate the Government's power to tax!
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11-10-2018, 09:54 AM
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National RV Owners Club Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Covington, GA
Posts: 784
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This August we were driving south from Maine and used the beltways west of Boston. For one stretch we used the HOV lane. In GA the HOV lane is different from the Peach Pass toll lanes and the signs clearly state the fees or lack thereof.
In September, back home in GA, we got a bill from the MA Hwy Admin for $6.20 for using (I assume) the HOV lane.
Fool me once shame on you; fool me twice shame on me.
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Covington, GA
2005 National Dolphin 5342
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11-10-2018, 10:35 AM
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club Appalachian Campers Mid Atlantic Campers Coastal Campers
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 321
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Quote:
Originally Posted by evofxdwg
33 Ft Coachmen Mirada towing a 2016 Ford F150 pickup
On our last trip, we drove into Canada at Niagara Falls, spent a couple days in Toronto area, and out at Port Huron MI. We drove down highway 407 Express Toll Route (ETR). We saw some signs saying tolls are collected by camera and there are no toll booths. OK - sounds great!
Got a bill a couple of weeks after return home. $63.10 for driving my "Heavy Multiple Unit Vehicle" 6km on that road!
Distance(Km): 6.062
Toll: $6.15
Trip Toll charges: $3.00
Camera Charges: $50.00
Account Fee: $3.95
Total charges: $63.10
I protested to the government contractor that the $50 camera fee was unreasonable given I was not a "tractor pulling one or more trailers" (per their example online) and there were no warning signs about this fee. I got a "nice" email essentially saying pay it or we can fine you for not having a transponder as well.
I won't be touring Canada any more!
All total driving thru MD, NY, and Canada on this trip, I estimate $175 in tolls and fees including above. I may set my GPS to "avoid toll roads" next time. Towing a toad seems to cost significantly more than double the per-axle charge posted most places.
Never underestimate the Government's power to tax!
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That is how they manage to keep their roads so nice, have great public transport, free healthcare and a safe, clean society.
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11-10-2018, 10:44 AM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 2,295
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richardgood
That is how they manage to keep their roads so nice, have great public transport, free healthcare and a safe, clean society.
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Not true. The 407 is privately owned by a Spanish company.
Also we do not all live in igloos.
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11-10-2018, 12:10 PM
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club Appalachian Campers Mid Atlantic Campers Coastal Campers
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Well, I am sure Canada will not miss your absence.
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11-10-2018, 12:23 PM
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Join Date: Aug 2017
Posts: 249
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richardgood
That is how they manage to keep their roads so nice, have great public transport, free healthcare and a safe, clean society.
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It use to be gas tax paid for the roads but the politicians keep raiding the trust fund so they come up with these revenue schemes that are irritating to most drivers. "Free Healthcare" is another pipe dream because there is not enough money on the planet to pay for it. When something is Free, as the old axiom goes, there will be shortages of the service.
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2008 Mandalay Coach Presidio 400
USMC VET
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11-10-2018, 12:45 PM
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Senior Member
Monaco Owners Club Appalachian Campers Mid Atlantic Campers Coastal Campers
Join Date: Nov 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by krudawg
It use to be gas tax paid for the roads but the politicians keep raiding the trust fund so they come up with these revenue schemes that are irritating to most drivers. "Free Healthcare" is another pipe dream because there is not enough money on the planet to pay for it. When something is Free, as the old axiom goes, there will be shortages of the service.
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Never had a shortage of service. Yes, taxes go to pay for health care, but Canadians pay less tax overall than Americans.
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11-10-2018, 12:48 PM
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Monaco Owners Club Appalachian Campers Mid Atlantic Campers Coastal Campers
Join Date: Nov 2012
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richardgood
Never had a shortage of service. Yes, taxes go to pay for health care, but Canadians pay less tax overall than Americans.
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Also Canadians live years longer than Americans, have much lower infant and maternal mortality rates and rank much higher in quality of health care.
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11-10-2018, 12:50 PM
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Join Date: Oct 2010
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There is no better health care system then what Canadians have. Don't believe the myths.
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11-10-2018, 01:28 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: Middle GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by richardgood
Well, I am sure Canada will not miss your absence.
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Thanks.......love you too!😳
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11-10-2018, 01:59 PM
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Join Date: Nov 2017
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Quote:
Originally Posted by evofxdwg
33 Ft Coachmen Mirada towing a 2016 Ford F150 pickup
On our last trip, we drove into Canada at Niagara Falls, spent a couple days in Toronto area, and out at Port Huron MI. We drove down highway 407 Express Toll Route (ETR). We saw some signs saying tolls are collected by camera and there are no toll booths. OK - sounds great!
Got a bill a couple of weeks after return home. $63.10 for driving my "Heavy Multiple Unit Vehicle" 6km on that road!
Distance(Km): 6.062
Toll: $6.15
Trip Toll charges: $3.00
Camera Charges: $50.00
Account Fee: $3.95
Total charges: $63.10
I protested to the government contractor that the $50 camera fee was unreasonable given I was not a "tractor pulling one or more trailers" (per their example online) and there were no warning signs about this fee. I got a "nice" email essentially saying pay it or we can fine you for not having a transponder as well.
I won't be touring Canada any more!
All total driving thru MD, NY, and Canada on this trip, I estimate $175 in tolls and fees including above. I may set my GPS to "avoid toll roads" next time. Towing a toad seems to cost significantly more than double the per-axle charge posted most places.
Never underestimate the Government's power to tax!
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OK, so you don't like the "only" toll road in Ontario, and claim "You won't be touring Canada anymore".
That's fine, if you feel that way.
What about the tolls roads you travelled in Maryland and New York states?
Didn't see you stating you would not be travelling there anymore!
I am very familiar with the 407 ETR toll road and it isn't even the main hi-way through Toronto.
Set your GPS to "AVOID TOLL ROADS" and save yourself from eliminating places you will never tour again.
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Southern Ontario
2014 Fleetwood Southwind 32VS 🇨🇦
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11-10-2018, 02:20 PM
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Newmar Owners Club Ford Super Duty Owner
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It seems to be a provincial road. Do they do the same thing to Canadians who are just passing through?
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Former owner of a Morgan powered Bennington
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11-10-2018, 02:44 PM
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Location: Middle GA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by knightstorm
It seems to be a provincial road. Do they do the same thing to Canadians who are just passing through?
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To those disparaging my post, my main complaint is the fees I'm being assessed WITHOUT ANY WARNING posted on the road. I am accustomed to knowing the charges up front before I buy anything. I believe a government-sponsored (as this seems to be since their website and email claims to have force of Canadian law) service that assesses fees should comply with the norms of trade with private entities. Or they could just post a sign that says something like "All you one time use idiots in motorhomes or towing stay off this road or it will cost you dearly". If they want US tourists in Canada, they should not be pulling this kind of crap.
And I fundamentally disagree with my toll road fees paying for healthcare, if that's what happens.
To answer your question, the $50 camera fee is assessed for any "Heavy Multiple Unit Vehicle" that does not have a transponder. It is impractical for me, a one-time tourist, to order and pickup, then return a transponder, which has a $50 deposit, and annual or monthly lease fees. And of course, I didn't know I was supposed to do that. They classify my 33 foot motorhome towing a TOAD as a "Heavy Multiple Unit Vehicle". Doesn't matter what province or country (Assume it must be one they have data on the tag numbers).
407ETR fees
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11-10-2018, 03:05 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2016
Location: Edmonton, Alberta
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As a Canadian, I have to reply. Evo, I agree about the fees for highway 407, or ANY toll road period! While I live in Alberta, I know about the 407 because of the controversy of 3P projects. Projects which are PRIVATELY owned with government blessing because it gets things (roads among many other things) built while they (we) supposedly don't pay for it [Moderator Edit]!. We drove down some interstate in NY last year and for the 38 miles we paid just under 50.00 US for MH and toad. I wasn't impressed but it was the cost of travelling.
We pay and pay more than ever for less and less! Richard don't believe for a second that we pay less taxes than you......EVER! My last year of working my payroll taxes amounted to 49% of my gross earnings. Not including home taxes, vehicle registration etc. In Canada I am(was) considered a HIGH income earner because I made over 100,000 a year.
Most of the time I avoid toll roads on principle but damm, sometimes it's twice the distance to avoid so I'll bite the bullet and pay it (Hello Nova Scotia!)
Our healthcare is good but it is NOT the best in the world and definately NOT even the best in North America.
Rant over.............................................. ..
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