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Old 02-15-2013, 11:06 AM   #71
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Somone once suggested you put out a dog bowl full of water.. A very very very BIG dog bowl.

Add a "Forget the dog, Beware the owner" sticker on the door (Get 'em from your Smith & Wesson dealer)

And the would be B&E man sees said bowl & sticker and thinks... "Another RV might be less... Hungry".

Note, you do not actually need a dog. (OR gun).
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Old 02-15-2013, 12:44 PM   #72
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We should all keep in mind that break-ins of occupied RV's are exceedingly rare, so best emphasis should probably be on measures protecting the unit when unoccupied.

Per dogs:

I'm surprised that more storage lots don't have them! Three or four goodsized sets of teeth certainly keep the parts thieves out of our (fenced) local junkyard...The owner keeps them kenneled during the day, but at night he locks the gate and the yard's all theirs.

He hasn't lost so much as a hubcap in years!
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We should all keep in mind that break-ins of occupied RV's are exceedingly rare, so best emphasis should probably be on measures protecting the unit when unoccupied.
Exceedingly rare! Is that more rare than really really rare. Thank you for that - I now know how to properly order my steak - exceedingly rare please. And I can sleep better too, knowing just how rare occupied break ins are.
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Don't be too sure. My daughters car had the passenger window smashed out so they could break in. The car was unlocked. Meth heads are stupid, don't expect them to try to open the door before they smash something.

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A very good point about locking a MH. We don't lock ours when it is in the hanger nor do we intentionally lock basement doors either. The same goes for cars in our garage and the door from the garage to our home. If someone breaks into either they will have the privacy to do what they want. Like the locksmith told me when replacing some locks, if you lock the house door, they will just bust through the dry wall.
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Restorative justice corrects behaviour through understanding. It holds perpetrators accountable. Accountability -(is) lost in punishment. .................Restorative justice does not allow for placing blame on anyone but the individual who committed the crime. A different kind of 'retribution' indeed.
Not familiar with restorative justice but did a little research. Apparently a very progressive approach, I think it has a long way to go for acceptance in U.S. society.
"Restorative justice principles are characterized by four key values: first, the encounter of both parties. This step involves the offender, the victim, the community and any other party who was involved in the initial crime.
Second, the amending process takes place. In this step, the offender(s) will take the steps necessary to help repair the harm caused.
Third, reintegration begins. In this phase, restoration of both the victim and the offender takes place. In addition, this step also involves the community and others who were involved in the initial crime.
Finally, the inclusion stage provides the open opportunity for both parties to participate in finding a resolution. The process of restorative justice is lengthy and must be committed to by both parties for effective results.
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So if someone vandalizes and burgularizes my MH. We should sit and discuss why he did it, he should return my property, repair damages, and apologize, and maybe even promise not to do it again. Could even involve community service to make amends. I can't seriously believe that if what is stolen has any value that this is an acceptable solution. (apparently assumes the burglar has sufficient finances or ability for restitution, repairs etc.)
I have earned my property and it has value to me. In some other future, if all property belongs to the community and has little or no personal attachment, the sit down and discuss may have a place.
Understand, I have no intention of making light of your belief, but I would not be able to resolve a problem in that manner.
I am much more inclined toward: you should not do the crime if you can't do the time. Incarceration should not be a pleasant experience.
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Mine sits in my side lot, unlocked with the key in the ignition. I also don't lock my front door when I leave the house during the day.

All depends on where you live.
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All depends on where you live.
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Incarceration should not be a pleasant experience.
That seems to be one of the problems now. Due to the ACLU and the bleeding hearts a lot of the prisoners have it better on the inside than they do on the outside.

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Hey, HappyCCRVr

So much for getting it back on topic. We tried. Shall we let the vultures have it?

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So much for getting it back on topic. We tried. Shall we let the vultures have it?

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Not familiar with restorative justice but did a little research. Apparently a very progressive approach, I think it has a long way to go for acceptance in U.S. society.
"Restorative justice principles are characterized by four key values: first, the encounter of both parties. This step involves the offender, the victim, the community and any other party who was involved in the initial crime.
Second, the amending process takes place. In this step, the offender(s) will take the steps necessary to help repair the harm caused.
Third, reintegration begins. In this phase, restoration of both the victim and the offender takes place. In addition, this step also involves the community and others who were involved in the initial crime.
Finally, the inclusion stage provides the open opportunity for both parties to participate in finding a resolution. The process of restorative justice is lengthy and must be committed to by both parties for effective results.
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So if someone vandalizes and burgularizes my MH. We should sit and discuss why he did it, he should return my property, repair damages, and apologize, and maybe even promise not to do it again. Could even involve community service to make amends. I can't seriously believe that if what is stolen has any value that this is an acceptable solution. (apparently assumes the burglar has sufficient finances or ability for restitution, repairs etc.)
I have earned my property and it has value to me. In some other future, if all property belongs to the community and has little or no personal attachment, the sit down and discuss may have a place.
Understand, I have no intention of making light of your belief, but I would not be able to resolve a problem in that manner.
I am much more inclined toward: you should not do the crime if you can't do the time. Incarceration should not be a pleasant experience.
I understand your thoughts. And no, it won't work for everyone, and wouldn't work for you, because both parties must be willing. And it is time consuming, not a quick fix at all, it is a process, but one that lends itself to less recidivism. What was stolen from the woman in the link was her beloved husband, and restorative justice worked well for her, and the young man who murdered him, as well as the community they speak to. If you heard them talk of their experience, you might change your thoughts on it - I know I did once I understood. A bit off topic again...but I am glad you are more familiar with RS now.
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That seems to be one of the problems now. Due to the ACLU and the bleeding hearts a lot of the prisoners have it better on the inside than they do on the outside.

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A common misunderstanding by those who have never experienced it themselves, or know someone who has been incarcerated.
Compared to the homeless though...at least they are fed daily and given medical attention when required.
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Like I said, no place is perfect. But I avoid the negatives.

Storage was away from town, gated, lighted, 24x7 camera monitoring.

Camping, I avoid the negatives if possible. Some things that matter:

The blinking LEDs by my door
Leaving the site looking lived in while away
Boondocking in groups
Well maintained parks and resident units
Away from town is good
Parks with stated quiet time rules
Patrolled is good
Gated is good
Effective lighting
Ratings on rvparkreviews.com
Word-of-mouth reviews
iRV2 reviews

And no visible kegs or flashing beer signs!

This is certainly not all-inclusive, nor any guarantee of safety, but you get my drift. I sleep well.

Happy trails!
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Can we please get back on topic.

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