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09-20-2017, 07:57 PM
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Campground Owners - Please Read
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Originally Posted by NealC
You don't realize everyone's RV uses, some of us work in them, some full time in them, not all just go someplace to "camp" but we are just working from a destination of our choice.
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So why should we ALL financially support what we don't need?
I think that folks working from a campground should support their own business requirements and pay the piper via the operational cost section of their own P&L.
I worked from my home office for years. The company paid for all of my operational expenses including the internet requirements.
IT is usually a cost center, not a profit center, on standard financials.
I think things are a bit outside of basic business practices here!
And should not be allowed in campgrounds.
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09-20-2017, 08:11 PM
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#44
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I wouldn't get narrow sighted on my "use case" as it's called. Anyone that RV's with kids, which I don't have, other than four legged, can probably tell you/us their dependency on the Internet or they may keel over and die. It's a different era today and Internet is a very important part of society and this doesn't exclude campgrounds.
When you go buy a car is there any talk about transmission, chassis, drive train, horsepower, brake systems or is it all about bluetooth, USB ports, Navigation systems, Carplay? Notice the paradigm shift in car buying today?
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09-20-2017, 08:17 PM
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#45
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I am just happy that all the hookups work and are within reach of the rv at an rv park. I really don't want for much. I really don't want to pay more for an RV site. The folks that work out of their RV's obliviously make their living that way. When retired your pension is fixed in alot of cases so it can make a big difference on how much you can do. If YOU want it then YOU pay for it and everyone is happy.
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09-20-2017, 08:20 PM
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#46
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Originally Posted by slickest1
I am just happy that all the hookups work and are within reach of the rv at an rv park. I really don't want for much. I really don't want to pay more for an RV site. The folks that work out of their RV's obliviously make their living that way. When retired your pension is fixed in alot of cases so it can make a big difference on how much you can do. If YOU want it then YOU pay for it and everyone is happy.
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Absolutely, all of us that want REAL and SECURE Internet would gladly pay for it. It's a revenue opportunity for a CG without raising YOUR cost. It's a Win/Win - the problem is CG's don't care right now. And that has to change. Internet is the fourth part of a FHU, maybe 5th if you want cable. Electric/Sewer/Water/Cable/Internet Let's call it SHU "Super Hookup"
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09-20-2017, 08:41 PM
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Originally Posted by NealC
Absolutely, all of us that want REAL and SECURE Internet would gladly pay for it. It's a revenue opportunity for a CG without raising YOUR cost. It's a Win/Win - the problem is CG's don't care right now. And that has to change. Internet is the fourth part of a FHU, maybe 5th if you want cable. Electric/Sewer/Water/Cable/Internet Let's call it SHU "Super Hookup"
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I worked in computers for 38 years.
This is an opportunity for someone to break the ice on campground internet advancement.
If someone that required sophisticated internet in a campground approached the management with this business opportunity, perhaps it could be a stepping stone into a new era.
From that, there could be a flurry of RV-geek-workers in campgrounds around the country!
Such a thing would have been great while I worked virtual!!!
But it must be a one-off thing billable to the user.
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09-20-2017, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Wundertaker
But if I can use Morley and have some security at very reasonable cost then why do I need better CG wifi?
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UH-OH...now you are moving towards my solution of being self sufficient.self contained
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09-21-2017, 12:13 AM
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Don't assume providing fast wifi is a viable option for many rv campgrounds, many of these places are located outside of town where cheap fast broadband may not be available. Until a couple of years ago I was involved in running a business that was located on a major highway about 10 miles outside a town of 10,000 people or so. (Thats where the warehouse was built back in the 60's) In the modern world we needed reasonably high speed internet for day to day business operation, sending emails, etc. we had about 8-10 employees that needed net access, so we had a 6 mbps (roughly fast enough for 1 person to stream a tv show in mid grade resolution), we were paying $1,200 per month for this connection. People in town 10 miles away could get 10 times the speed for 1/10th the price.
p.s. sure it is getting better in many places, but it is also getting cheaper to bring your own with a Mobley at $20 per month.
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09-21-2017, 02:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NealC
When you go buy a car is there any talk about transmission, chassis, drive train, horsepower, brake systems or is it all about bluetooth, USB ports, Navigation systems, Carplay? Notice the paradigm shift in car buying today?
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Transmission,chassis,drive train. HP are all WAY more important to me than how many USB ports the car has, don't care about NAV , don't even know what a carplay is.
My 2 cents
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09-21-2017, 02:46 AM
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Sometimes it's good to just 'disconnect'. It's also better to be self reliant. There's plenty of technology out there for individuals. Don't burden the cg with another seasonal bill.. they'd be better off making the outdoor space more enjoyable- green grass, trees, etc. Remove the 'parking lot feel'. Those that have done so have higher full rates even in off seasons.
2 cents that's over priced...
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09-21-2017, 03:15 AM
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Neal (and others),
Do you think it would be worth putting in a cat6 plug and wiring? I am going to start plugging into router at home due to wifi connectivity issues.
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09-21-2017, 04:18 AM
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#53
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Quote:
Originally Posted by NealC
Ha ha - you're assuming you'll have AT&T coverage. I have the Mobley too and rely on it as my primary. Wyoming had terrible AT&T coverage so I had to get a Verizon MiFi backup - very expensive.
You don't realize everyone's RV uses, some of us work in them, some full time in them, not all just go someplace to "camp" but we are just working from a destination of our choice.
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OK, my 2 cents worth.
Maybe you're willing to pay the extra freight for campground owners to upgrade their connectivity to YOUR specifications, but that will price out the fees for many people who could not care less about your full-time, work-from-your-RV lifestyle.
You got into this RV world with not a whole lot of knowledge beforehand (based on many of your earlier posts), found out it doesn't suit your expectations, and now you want everybody who owns a campground to change for your benefit. If YOU want better connectivity in order to work full-time on the road, YOU find a way to make it happen on YOUR dime - not mine or the tens of thousands of RV-ers who want to kick back and enjoy the relaxed lifestyle that RVing provides.
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09-21-2017, 04:19 AM
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There are technologies out there to accomplish this wifi need - take a company like Cambium - their claim to fame is bathing entire cities in wifi and then anyone who wants it rents a cheap receiver for their home. The tech is out there, so a CG could have the transmitter bathe their campground and then if you want wifi, they hand you a receiver and you pay what they choose to charge.
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09-21-2017, 05:21 AM
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#55
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I can't imagine how much the 'upgrades' suggested by the OP would end up costing a fairly large CG and what the passed on cost would be to the ultimate consumer - us, the campers (and today, I'm not sure that's a correct term). CGs in the northern part of the US have for the most part, a limited season that starts in May and ends around Columbus Day. We just finished a New England trip that in part duplicates one made in 2014. Just the cost of those RV parks has increased 5 to 10 dollars per night. That cost will do nothing but continue to go up as we, the RV owners, continue to demand more amenities. The park's taxes are ever increasing, their help wants more dollars/hour, their maintenance equipment costs more to buy and maintain, their utilities (water, electric, sewer, etc) all cost more. Where does it end --- nowhere else but in the consumers wallet. I can't compute what a startup RV park would cost to build today and there really aren't many new ones opening. In fact, there are probably more slamming the gate shut as a losing endeavor. And whatever that startup cost will be, it will be borne by us, the RV owner by a high cost. This is nothing more then Economics 101.
So, with that said, to a point, I agree with the OP in that I would really like better internet but understand why many, if not most RV parks are reluctant to invest thousands of after tax dollars for virtually no real benefit to them while they fill their parks with mom, dad and 2.6 kids in their RV for a vacation.
If you need to work from your RV for whatever reason, I don't want to have pay for your needs though already are in part with the ever growing nightly cost. That should be on your account, not mine.
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09-21-2017, 06:28 AM
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#56
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I am seeing a broad based issue here, todays damand, todays technology, vs tomorrows demand, and what ever tomorrows technology will be.
I would not invest a lot of money into a capital improvement that I really believe will be outdated/out of favor really soon.
It is really beyond what each of us see as our future demands, the country is going to be folding generations, and that has already begun. Baby boomers and millennials are very different, and gen xers are lost in the middle. Long term posturing is quite the challenge now, for all industries. It use to be easier and somewhat linear, just predict what life stage baby boomers would going through in 10 years.
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