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Old 08-05-2012, 08:28 PM   #197
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:28 PM   #198
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Seriously.....they have the "right" to do anything they want, but that doesn't make it "right"!

1) Let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. I don't think anyone has proposed NO rules in a CG.

2) Statements like "keep them out, do not want, beat-up, worn-out, rundown RV's" and only applying that to RV's over 10 years old is patently WRONG!

3) Making that connection IS insulting, stupid, narrow minded, short sighted and down right RUDE!
OK...safe to assume you are not prepared to invest your life savings in the Anarchist CG. Appears you do approve of discrimination (rules)...just certain rules. Fair enough your CG... Your rules.

I think, from your tone, it is safe to assume that you would also not welcome some authority deciding which of your rules are acceptable.

I'm still curious, however...., Will your CG approve of and/or welcome "all" RV's regardless of age, physical appearance, structural integrity ....,.or will you discriminate?

Assuming you will have some rules or standards for the RV's you welcome into your CG....will you:

1) Let people know about these rules "before" they get to your CG or will you walk out and inspect each RV as it arrives.

2) Will your discriminatory rules be objective or will they be completely arbitrary depending on how you feel?

3) If they are objective.... What will they be?

By the way....I'm not looking to start WW111 with this discussion. I'm just curious as to why people are so torqued-up over a private business making some "objective" rules (discrimination) about the standards they wish to establish for their business.
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Old 08-05-2012, 08:32 PM   #199
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So a 2 year old ill kept (ugly) RV is ok? BTW, I noticed you said 'and have been discriminated against'. So you agree, its discrimination?
Nope I have a 12 year old beauty. It is highly unlikely that a two year RV will be ill kept. They just spent a big sum of money. So, bad example.
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So a 2 year old ill kept (ugly) RV is ok? BTW, I noticed you said 'and have been discriminated against'. So you agree, its discrimination?
Plus read the whole posting. It's not discrimination.
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By the way....I'm not looking to start WW111 with this discussion. I'm just curious as to why people are so torqued-up over a private business making some "objective" rules (discrimination) about the standards they wish to establish for their business.
Not against having rulles at all.. Not even against a 'picture' rule. I AM against rules only being applied to 10+ year coachs, and ONLY after the owner finds out its 10 yrs old.. Make it a blanket requirement, and I'd be ok. Then, not only would you STILL be keeping out who you might think of as 'riff-raff' or what not, but you would not be ticking off any potential customers with perfectly serviceable RVs in the process.

Its a simple concept, and I'm really at a loss as to why no one is grasping it. Shoot, even professed 'lawyers' cant seem to grasp it..

Seems all anybody wants to do is read the word 'discrimination' and immediately assume I am saying its somehow illegal or dont want rules.
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Couldn't agree more with this and the rest of your post. I can certainly confirm your last statement and I know I'm not the only one. We love our '99 and have no desire at all to upgrade.

The 2 motorcycles we tow with it are worth twice what the coach is. I won't tell you what our 4000 sq ft house on the lake is worth or how much we have in investments. The only point I'm trying to make is to confirm that your RV is no reflection on your bank account.

I have no doubt that the public CGs that have a 10 yr restriction are fewer than 1%, so I have no idea why some folks are so upset about this.
Just my luck the first reservation I try to make and it's at one of those "1%" places

Upset? Disappointed is the word for me..........what a dumb rule and attitude. We love our new to us coach.....she has been well loved and we can't wait to enjoy her for many more years. Felt like we were adopting her the guy loved this coach soooo much! It shows too.
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Nope I have a 12 year old beauty. It is highly unlikely that a two year RV will be ill kept. They just spent a big sum of money. So, bad example.
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Not against having rulles at all.. Not even against a 'picture' rule. I AM against rules only being applied to 10+ year coachs, and ONLY after the owner finds out its 10 yrs old.. Make it a blanket requirement, and I'd be ok. Then, not only would you STILL be keeping out who you might think of as 'riff-raff' or what not, but you would not be ticking off any potential customers with perfectly serviceable RVs in the process.

Its a simple concept, and I'm really at a loss as to why no one is grasping it. Shoot, even professed 'lawyers' cant seem to grasp it..

Seems all anybody wants to do is read the word 'discrimination' and immediately assume I am saying its somehow illegal or dont want rules.
Thank you! Well said.
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Dude.. the discussion, again, is not whether they have the right to make, or not make, these rules. It is about whether such rules, and more importantly, the way the rules are applied, are discriminatory. As a lawyer (in seven states, no less), I fail to see why you haven't grasped this yet..
Dude, it's clear that you have a cross to burn here. Has your rig been refused by a campground?

You are entitled to your opinion, however what you see as discrimination the majority of posters see as rules set by a private establishment.

Again you don't get to change the accepted definition of a word to suit your feelings. You don't get to make the rules unless you are the owner and it's your money that's at risk, if you make the wrong rules.

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Not against having rulles at all.. Not even against a 'picture' rule. I AM against rules only being applied to 10+ year coachs, and ONLY after the owner finds out its 10 yrs old.. Make it a blanket requirement, and I'd be ok. Then, not only would you STILL be keeping out who you might think of as 'riff-raff' or what not, but you would not be ticking off any potential customers with perfectly serviceable RVs in the process.

Its a simple concept, and I'm really at a loss as to why no one is grasping it. Shoot, even professed 'lawyers' cant seem to grasp it..

Seems all anybody wants to do is read the word 'discrimination' and immediately assume I am saying its somehow illegal or dont want rules.
Hey I get it! To deny someone access to an RV Park based upon the age of their RV is discrimination. It is particularly egregious since it is selective ( applies to some not all). So is a Pet rule...so is an Age rule (no children) (+55)....so is a Clothing rule .... So is a No Guns rule.... so is a ClassA only rule...so is a No Outside Smoking rule.... In fact CG's have a lot of discriminatory "selective" rules.

I feel your pain...I'm a pet owner.

So......your money... your skin in the game....your CG.

Are you or are you not going to establish standards & rules (discriminate) in YOUR CG against RV's on the basis of age, physical appearance or structural integrity?

Let's assume you are...OK? Let's also assume you will NOT apply your rules selectively (they will apply to everyone)......OK?

I'm curious... how will you develop & implement your discriminatory rules for RV standards in your CG?

1) Will they be objective ...,everyone, regardless of the age of their RV, will be required to submit a photo prior to acceptance into your CG.

2) Will you be the ONLY judge of acceptability or will you have a committee?

3) Will you publish your rules and standards of acceptability or will you judge every RV upon their arrival at the gate.

4) OR will your rules ( discrimination) be subjective? You or your committee will just decide on a unit by unit basis depending on your "gut" feel.

Again... This is just in the spirit of discussion, not a challenge to you as a person or your integrity. BTW....The most offensive guy where we are currently camped is the guy in a "mint" Prevost with an "loud" outdoor entertainment center. Him...I do not like.

In fact, in MY CG, I would discriminate against anyone with an outdoor entertainment center. Since these things are relatively new (within the last 10yrs), I would require that any RV produced after the advent of the flat screen TV would have to submit a photo proving that they did not have an outside EC.
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Geeze, 15 pages because an RV park can decide whether they want your business or not?
I'd think that if an RV park owner wants nothing but Prevosts , that's their business. Same if they only want tents or pop ups.
Have you ever noticed that you can't put a 'double wide' in Beverly Hills, even if you own the lot. What about these places that require a dress code? What's wrong with blue jeans and flip flops?
Oh goodness, the list of discrimination could go on forever.
I know it's nice to look out the window and see all nice expensive rigs but maybe people in Prevosts do not like to look at a converted school bus next to them either.
I'd say either just move on to another park, or go out and buy a MH that the park approves of.
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