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Old 08-06-2012, 11:11 AM   #225
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IMO the answer is, not only no... but heck no. This entire 10 year discussion is an interesting exercise and discussion but I believe it applies to a very small percentage of parks and I don't see that percentage growing very rapidly.

And FWIW, I believe that any park with restrictions like this MUST inform anyone making a reservation that they have these criteria. To wait for a guest to arrive before informing them is completely unacceptable.

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Thank you!!!

Finally..

I would also say to wait until after most, if not all, of the reservation application is already done also is unacceptable and should be done upfront and for everyone...
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:17 AM   #226
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It's been real entertaining, but the horse is dead and the movie is over, time to exit.

Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. - Mark Twain.

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Since I know what side of the camp you are in, I am going to infer that this was meant for me... And basically uncalled for.

BTW - There have been about 7-8 people (I guess) that have posted they have an issue with the definition of discrimination. I have dozens of PM's from those who think otherwise, put dont wish to post because of fear of attacks..
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:20 AM   #227
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I can't believe I just read all 217 posts about nothing. I feel so stupid...
Two groups that can't seem to agree on the definition of a word that has two
definitions. You people crack me up.
Obviously the campground can make the rules and all you can do is whine.
All this quibbling and nothing will come of it, not one campground will change
their policy. Because they have every right to have that policy, whether all of
you self-righteous people like it or not.
Call it discrimination or whatever you like, it won't change a thing, so you
might as well give up now, before you fall off of your soapbox and get hurt.
So don't just whine about it, do something about it. Call the campground
that has a 10 year rule and tell them you will never stay there until they
change the rule. Let your wallet speak.
Of course, they won't care or change the rule, but you will feel better...
That's my opinion and yours doesn't matter much to me.....

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Your right, of course.. They wont change..
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Old 08-06-2012, 11:21 AM   #228
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OK - we have a lot of discussion about whether it is discrimination and we are not going to resolve this by sending messages back and forth. I've given my opinion earlier in this thread. I'd suggest you (& others) provide a listing of these parks with the ten year rule and any other similar restrictions and I will support your position by not staying at those parks.
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It is disconcerting in Florida, because when all the snowbirds get down here, you can barely find a place to park your coach. My daughter and family own an older Class C that is in very good shape. Where will they be able to park when they come to visit? The HOA won't let them park on the street for a weekend. Do they have to go to Disney every time? (they allow everyone)
As a winter FL resident, finding a place has nothing to do with age of rv, and everything to do with supply and demand. Unless you can make reservations months in advance there are very few places to park an rv in Florida in prime winter months. When we want a weekend trip during the winter, we go to north Fl or Al or GA as places to park in FL are just too scarce. During non prime time you can pick and choose where to stay. Everything is empty.
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:09 PM   #230
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BTW - There have been about 7-8 people (I guess) that have posted they have an issue with the definition of discrimination. I have dozens of PM's from those who think otherwise, put dont wish to post because of fear of attacks..
Ouch. This bothers me.

Jim, I viewed our exchanges a bit back as a good ol' campfire discussion with a couple beers and friends who have a differing opinion and are talking about the world. A couple guys agreeing to disagree but nothing personal and respecting each other's views. I dropped out when the various postings started getting a bit heated and going a bit sideways.

Bothers me that some would feel they can't put in their 2 cents without being attacked... not what this is supposed to be about. Everyone should be able to express their thoughts without a slapdown. I've got my own opinions on many topics, and like everyone I'm probably "right" about 50% of the time.

So Jim I'm backing out of this again, but just wanted to say nothing personal from me to you, enjoyed the exchange of thoughts and opinions.

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And no, you haven't changed my mind...
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Old 08-06-2012, 12:30 PM   #231
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Ouch. This bothers me.

Jim, I viewed our exchanges a bit back as a good ol' campfire discussion with a couple beers and friends who have a differing opinion and are talking about the world. A couple guys agreeing to disagree but nothing personal and respecting each other's views. I dropped out when things started getting a bit heated and going a bit sideways.

Bothers me that some would feel they can't put in their 2 cents without being attacked... not what this is supposed to be about. Everyone should be able to express their thoughts without a slapdown. I've got my own opinions on many topics, and like everyone I'm probably "right" about 50% of the time.

So Jim I'm backing out of this again, but just wanted to say nothing personal from me to you, enjoyed the exchange of thoughts and opinions.

Ed

And no, you haven't changed my mind...
Thanks Ed.. I too feel that this should be a simple, clean, exchange of opinions, and I actually like a good healthy debate as it forces me to look at my own views with a more critical eye.. but some seem to want to jump in and start swinging which causes a knee-jerk reaction back and things start rolling down hill real quick. I've tried to hold my own reaction to 'a dirty look' and shake of the head

Give it time.. I'm sure I will at least get you to agree to some of it I mean, RickO is coming around
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Since I know what side of the camp you are in, I am going to infer that this was meant for me... And basically uncalled for.

BTW - There have been about 7-8 people (I guess) that have posted they have an issue with the definition of discrimination. I have dozens of PM's from those who think otherwise, put dont wish to post because of fear of attacks..

In psychology, the false-consensus effect is a cognitive bias whereby a person tends to overestimate how much other people agree with him or her. There is a tendency for people to assume that their own opinions, beliefs, preferences, values and habits are 'normal' and that others also think the same way that they do. This cognitive bias tends to lead to the perception of a consensus that does not exist, a 'false consensus'.

It's ok and healthy, for differences of opinion. Nothing wrong with good healthy debate! People shouldn't make it or take it personal.

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Thanks Ed.. I too feel that this should be a simple, clean, exchange of opinions, and I actually like a good healthy debate as it forces me to look at my own views with a more critical eye.. but some seem to want to jump in and start swinging which causes a knee-jerk reaction back and things start rolling down hill real quick. I've tried to hold my own reaction to 'a dirty look' and shake of the head

Give it time.. I'm sure I will at least get you to agree to some of it I mean, RickO is coming around
And some seem to be in the middle of the disagreement often. I guess it's just their nature.
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Give it time.. I'm sure I will at least get you to agree to some of it I mean, RickO is coming around
Hey... hey... hey.

My views haven't actually changed on the subject... I've just taken the time to listen to what you were saying. That's when I realized we weren't all that far apart.

I, like others, did get hung up on the "legal" aspect of the question at first. YES, CG owners have a "right" to set their own rules within the existing law and limiting the age of coaches is within that right. The thing is, nobody was really disputing that... they were just saying they felt it was wrong to do it that way. I understand that view. I also felt all along that it should go without saying that CGs need to tell customers of these restrictions up front when reservations are being made.

But I agree that these types of discussions are valuable IF we're able to take a deep breath and listen to what everyone is saying. Hard to believe that this one didn't get political... talk about guns... or even Pit Bulls.

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In psychology, the false-consensus effect is a cognitive bias whereby a person tends to overestimate how much other people agree with him or her. There is a tendency for people to assume that their own opinions, beliefs, preferences, values and habits are 'normal' and that others also think the same way that they do. This cognitive bias tends to lead to the perception of a consensus that does not exist, a 'false consensus'.

It's ok and healthy, for differences of opinion. Nothing wrong with good healthy debate! People shouldn't make it or take it personal.

Agree.. which is why those who claim I need to 'shut up now and get off the soap box, fool' should not be so confident that they are right
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And some seem to be in the middle of the disagreement often. I guess it's just their nature.
Some people are trolls..
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Agree.. which is why those who claim I need to 'shut up now and get off the soap box, fool' should not be so confident that they are right
Who said anything about a "soapbox". A " 40' flatbed trailer maybe " but you would fall off very quickly from a soapbox. All the rant and pace, rant and pace, would be very dangerous for you.
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Hey... hey... hey.

My views haven't actually changed on the subject... I've just taken the time to listen to what you were saying. That's when I realized we weren't all that far apart.

I, like others, did get hung up on the "legal" aspect of the question at first. YES, CG owners have a "right" to set their own rules within the existing law and limiting the age of coaches is within that right. The thing is, nobody was really disputing that... they were just saying they felt it was wrong to do it that way. I understand that view. I also felt all along that it should go without saying that CGs need to tell customers of these restrictions up front when reservations are being made.

But I agree that these types of discussions are valuable IF we're able to take a deep breath and listen to what everyone is saying. Hard to believe that this one didn't get political... talk about guns... or even Pit Bulls.

Rick
Thanks.. wish everyone would take the time. So many are caught up in the political/media world of pointing fingers and crying 'foul' at any mention of a word or phrase that hey lose sight of what the real discussion is about...
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