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Old 08-01-2012, 09:53 PM   #57
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I can use whatever criteria I want. If you look at a the campgrounds that don't allow dogs, kids under a certain age, or age/ type/ condition of rv
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Old 08-01-2012, 09:56 PM   #58
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It would hold up my position. Also look at all the 55 and above communities that exist. I could go on and on but I think one can get the point.
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Old 08-02-2012, 12:58 AM   #59
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The Housing for Older Persons Act of 1995 (HOPA) makes several changes to the 55 and older exemption....

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HOPA retains the requirement that senior housing must have one person who is 55 years of age or older living in at least 80 percent of its occupied units. It also still requires that senior housing publish and follow policies and procedures that demonstrate an intent to be housing for persons 55 and older.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:17 AM   #60
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I didn't say senior housing, I said 55 plus communities, major difference. I was in senior housing for over 20 yrs. and the residents had to meet our criteria, or we didn't accept them. You will find this in all types of the various areas for senior housing. Every business is allowed to have there rules/ criteria for what they are willing to accept, if this wasn't true they would loose their business license and wouldn't be able to operate. As a business cg owner it should be their right to run it as they believe will give them the best return on their investment.

If as rv owners we either don't like it or don't meet their rules we have the right to go somewhere else. That's why they have wheels.
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Not really. I might not be able to afford the best RV, but I CAN pay the monthly CG fees.

As I said, IF they say "We require a picture of your Coach WITH EVERY RESERVATION to make sure it complies with our local safety standards.", then sure, it would be cool. But, to ask 'What year is your coach" and then ONLY ask for the pic after they find its 10 or more years old, IS discrimination.

Hi Jim,

You've made statements saying that many things we're discussing here are illegal. Do you have laws to cite to support this? I assume we're talking federal law here. I looked through the HUD link you provided and didn't find anything that seemed to support such a broad definition of "illegal discrimination".

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Not a lawyer, don't play one on TV, but... isn't there is a difference between discriminating against a human being trying to rent a space (be it a campground or house) and setting rules on vehicles? Last I checked, vehicles don't have Constitutional rights.

Saying YOU as a person couldn't rent because of some factor (genetic, religious etc) is illegal. Saying your vehicle isn't allowed... that's a different issue isn't it?

If I wanted to open a campground and say "Only Prevost, 5 years or less, painted sky-blue and towing Lexus are allowed" isn't that my right? However, if I added "and driven only by... <insert religious/genetic/maritial qualifier>" THEN I'd be illegal. IMHO. One is perhaps a lousy business model, the other is illegal.

Fancy restaurant requires a jacket/tie... others saying "no shoes/no shirt/no Service" are NOT refusing to seat someone based on "illegal criteria", just setting rules.

Not defending, not approving pictures etc... just saying there is a difference between the two. Asking for photo of old vehicle is one thing, asking for photo of driver is another. Campgrounds can set their rules, market will determine if the rules make sense and they stay in business or not.

Need an Constitutional Amendment... "You have the Right to a flat camping space with water view, full hookups, room for slides and awnings, and neighbors that agree and participate with your idea of Perfect Camping, all for less than $20/day" I guess.
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I really don't care about the legality of the discrimination, or the rights of small businesses to make arbitrary requirements.

I am saddened that there seems to be an unstated prejudice that anyone with an RV more than 10 years old is substandard and should be excluded from some parks. I've met very rich people and very poor people, and many in between. Some have been wonderful, caring, interesting people, some have been fecal sphincters, I really can't determine by the age of their vehicles an accurate way to predetermine what they will be. If these CG (excuse me, RV Park) owners have figured out that owning a 10 year old RV is the cut off for offensive people, I'd like to see the research.

All of you that have RVs built in 2003, get ready for it, you are about to be downgraded.
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When someone says no to someone it doesn't always mean you are having your constitutional rights violated. It's a private business and you have to meet the criteria they are looking for. It will not change, it will always be that way.
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I really don't care about the legality of the discrimination, or the rights of small businesses to make arbitrary requirements.

I am saddened that there seems to be an unstated prejudice that anyone with an RV more than 10 years old is substandard and should be excluded from some parks. I've met very rich people and very poor people, and many in between. Some have been wonderful, caring, interesting people, some have been fecal sphincters, I really can't determine by the age of their vehicles an accurate way to predetermine what they will be. If these CG (excuse me, RV Park) owners have figured out that owning a 10 year old RV is the cut off for offensive people, I'd like to see the research.

All of you that have RVs built in 2003, get ready for it, you are about to be downgraded.
IMO, those who seem to have a problem with these restrictions are personalizing what is a simple equipment requirement. Nowhere is anyone using these standards implying that the PEOPLE who own older rigs are somehow less desirable than anyone else. They are simply trying to keep the aesthetic standards of their business at a level they feel their customers are comfortable with.

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I wouldn't have a issue with it. We did once inquire about staying at a CG and they said no without looking at our 1999 Southwind we then had. We still drove through the park and was surprised at how many older coaches they had that wouldn't survive a 5 mile trip. Our Southwind was taken care of very well as I am meticulous of my vehicles.
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Why not, if he's a friendly guy, keeps his site clean and is quiet after 10 pm?
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