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Old 08-02-2012, 08:21 PM   #85
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I really don't care about the legality of the discrimination, or the rights of small businesses to make arbitrary requirements.

I am saddened that there seems to be an unstated prejudice that anyone with an RV more than 10 years old is substandard and should be excluded from some parks. I've met very rich people and very poor people, and many in between. Some have been wonderful, caring, interesting people, some have been fecal sphincters, I really can't determine by the age of their vehicles an accurate way to predetermine what they will be. If these CG (excuse me, RV Park) owners have figured out that owning a 10 year old RV is the cut off for offensive people, I'd like to see the research.

All of you that have RVs built in 2003, get ready for it, you are about to be downgraded.
Agreed...
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:22 PM   #86
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When someone says no to someone it doesn't always mean you are having your constitutional rights violated. It's a private business and you have to meet the criteria they are looking for. It will not change, it will always be that way.
Never said it was unconstitutional....??? Just discriminatory..
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:25 PM   #87
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IMO, those who seem to have a problem with these restrictions are personalizing what is a simple equipment requirement. Nowhere is anyone using these standards implying that the PEOPLE who own older rigs are somehow less desirable than anyone else. They are simply trying to keep the aesthetic standards of their business at a level they feel their customers are comfortable with.

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But, again, there are some really, really bad 2-8yr old coaches out there. People driving these would not even be questioned when making a reservation, and, if showing up in the dark will not have a problem getting in. Maybe even if its not dark.. Simply based on the age of the coach.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:27 PM   #88
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Would you want this next to you?
Prolly the nicest person you will ever meet..

And it in a different country
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:28 PM   #89
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:30 PM   #90
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Not sure but I think it's called free enterprise.
I hope we never get rid of that or we will be in the same shape as the rest of the world.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:31 PM   #91
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Or how about this one next door!!

Do you really believe that went anywhere except very slowly up he Yukon?

Again, prolly nicest person you will ever meet.. Better than a lot of @zzhats I've met in million dollar rigs, I can tell you. Some of the rudest people have had brand new rigs and lots of cash..
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:34 PM   #92
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Aren't most businesses a private enterprise? Private businesses do not have an unfettered right to conduct business as they see fit. Not all criteria are reasonable or fair and in some cases, those criteria are in fact illegal.

It would be interesting to see how these owners would react to a 2004 in horrible condition. I think the poster that said it is an all or none screening proposition got it right. You can't judge things by a simple photograph. I could easily send a photograph of a few years previous. How would they know? What's more, what other disqualifications are these owners prepared to use to restrict traffic? They cater to travellers. Travellers come in all shapes and sizes. If someone is not maintaining the site or violating quiet hours, then evict them. It is as simple as that. I recently was at a CG where the most obnoxious camper in the site was in a very late model 5th Wheel. I would happily have taken the older less modern rig as a neighbour rather than this guy with the music, the loud voices, noisy dogs and generally annoying behaviour. The rig condition may say something or may say nothing, especially these days.
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Old 08-02-2012, 08:40 PM   #94
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Agreed. I'm mostly objecting to the word "discrimination" as some are using it in the legal sense and the word has become one that implies evil action and wrong-doing. If anything, I'm standing up for the right of ANY property owner to set their own rules within the law.

Setting an age limit on vehicles is not against the law. It is not discrimination against any person because anyone is able, finances permitting, to purchase a newer vehicle and park in the campground in question.

You have the right to build your own campground, decide that you want a classic theme look to the park, and not allow any RVs NEWER than say 1980. That's your right as a business person.

Heck, many campgrounds don't allow me in because of my 40' length. They COULD redesign the park to allow longer units, they chose not to do so. It's not discriminating against me. It's a business choice. I've seen other parks that are "Class A" only, and even those with the new Super-C's costing $500k aren't allowed in.

Again, I'm not declaring for/against the age limit, the photo requirement etc. Just saying that painting a campground owner who does so as "discriminating" (hence evil, illegal, immoral or whatever) isn't right. Vote with your dollars, go or don't go, and those campgrounds will live or die by their rules and business decisions. Look at my sig... I'm only a couple years away myself.
Others have used the word 'illegal' in questioning me. I never said it was 'illegal' for these parks to do this. Only that it was 'discrimination'. Discrimination is not, in and of itself, illegal. But it is wrong, especially if it is discriminating against those who my not be able to purchase that 'newer coach'. In fact, your sentence to that fact was absolutely
contradictory. "Finances permitting" is EXACTLY what were talking about and why it is discrimination.
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Others have used the word 'illegal' in questioning me.
Let me see your papers.
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Papers? We dont need no stinking papers!
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I like the junk pic and that for me would be the best answer.
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Others have used the word 'illegal' in questioning me. I never said it was 'illegal' for these parks to do this. Only that it was 'discrimination'. Discrimination is not, in and of itself, illegal. But it is wrong, especially if it is discriminating against those who my not be able to purchase that 'newer coach'. In fact, your sentence to that fact was absolutely
contradictory. "Finances permitting" is EXACTLY what were talking about and why it is discrimination.

So, you are saying that Rolls Royce is discriminating against me because I can't afford their auto, and that Beverly Hills discrmininates against me because I can't afford a mansion? Sorry, I don't see it that way.

The original Q was if a campground had the right to set rules on age of RV; I maintain they do, it may be a bad business model but it is their right as the propterty owner to set the look-and-feel of their park. One's ability to meet those rules based on income is not discrimination, its life. Discrimination would be that even if someone had the appropriate RV they don't let them in because of race/creed/etc. Against the person, not the vehicle. Is it discrimination that a Corvette Owners Club doesn't let me join if I drive an SUV?

Guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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