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Old 12-01-2014, 02:03 PM   #29
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It operates the jacks & also the two front slides.
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Thanks Camping Cajun; I did not realize the front slides were hydraulic, as a matter of fact the sales person told me they were electric. As I have said to my DW a few times, the sales people can't be expected to know or remember all the details, it's up to us to research with due diligence.
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Old 12-02-2014, 09:03 AM   #31
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Not to mess up the thread but: our 04 HR Endevour with 8.3 Cummins does not use DEF.. What if you had a vehicle that used DEF and you did not use it.. What happens to the engine etc.. Just curious.. our 09 6.4 ford F250 did not use DEF either.
The 2010 EPA standard requires DEF as a first phase of the new standard. My coach has the DEF and is on a later year 2010 chassis. I get 20hp more than the same coach without DEF. If I don't use the stuff the engine will go into "limp mode" until I add it to the special tank.

Buying this stuff off the shelf does increase the price significantly but getting it from a pump is often a problem. I have only done this twice. The last time I had to wait for the trucker in the lane to my right to finish filling. The counter than activated the DEF pump for me and I crossed the hose into my lane to fill the DEF tank. Getting the DEF into the fuel tank takes major work. They are on opposite ends of the coach.

I get about 1000 to 1200 miles per 10 gal (I think) tank.

And it stinks.

I think I have covered most of the topic through my experiences. It really is NBD and I don't even know when the scrubber is working. The exhaust gets to about 1200* when the system is running but I see no problems with that. My stone cover for the towed seems unharmed.

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Old 12-02-2014, 09:11 AM   #32
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"Buying this stuff off the shelf does increase the price significantly but getting it from a pump is often a problem."

Not a problem for me. I just save my now empty store-bought DEF container and refill it at the pump. Put it in the the toad or storage compartment and fill the DEF tank next time I stop for the night. Costs about half of what it costs to buy at the store and is easy as pie.
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"Buying this stuff off the shelf does increase the price significantly but getting it from a pump is often a problem."

Not a problem for me. I just save my now empty store-bought DEF container and fill it at the pump. Put it in the the toad or storage compartment and fill the DEF tank next time I stop for the night. Costs about half of what it costs to buy at the store and is easy as pie.
The last time i filled my DEF tank, I found the truck stop had several of the orange traffic cones sitting around so they can occasionally shut off a lane if needed. I placed one of the cones at the back of my MH to keep truckers from lining up behind me and after filling my fuel I turned my RV around and drove back into the lane and filled my DEF. Worked out just fine and it was the suggested method from the clerk at the cash register!
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I'm sure the truckers will love you for that. Don't try it when the place is busy.
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...I get about 1000 to 1200 miles per 10 gal (I think) tank...
I'm thinking you misspoke and meant to say "per 2.5 gallons of DEF"? What you've stated would be at least 4 times the DEF usage most are reporting and what I am experiencing.
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I'm sure the truckers will love you for that. Don't try it when the place is busy.
It's like going into Wal Mart or the grocery store, no matter what line you pick,that is the one where the person in front of you needs a price check and you wait until the clerk calls back for the department to answer!
At least putting out the cone lets them know you may take a bit longer! My money is as good as theirs! Plus the suggestion came from the folks that runs the business and part of the reason the place is busy is because I was in there spending my money as well!
Being a retired trucker, I seldom find most of them will acommodate others no different than any other portion of our society.
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I'm thinking you misspoke and meant to say "per 2.5 gallons of DEF"? What you've stated would be at least 4 times the DEF usage most are reporting and what I am experiencing.
You could be correct. I have not had the coach long enough or put enough miles on it to really know for certain.

What MRUSA14 does is ok but DEF STINKS! I don't want it in my car or coach compartments. Might work for you but not me.


Blocking a lane to do a turnaround? The last time I got DEF I was told I could NOT come in the opposite direction. I had to wait for the adjacent lane to be freed to get my DEF. Still closed the lane to diesel but not for long.

No mater how you look at it, DEF is not always easy to put in you coach. I think it is too bad the the chassis manufactures (Freightliner in my case) didn't do a better job finding out what the truck stops were going to do.
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DEF is not the only emissions "game in town".
Many have used DPF and EGRs for years. Those are diesel particulate filters and exhaust gas recirculator. I will say DEF is least harmful to the engine, but just because your diesel doesn't use DEF, doesn't mean it is not regulated to the same level. 2012 was the last year Ram used DPFs on the Cummins. Now they are all DEFs.
Best efficiency and long engine life is of course, none of this stuff!
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We have DEF. I find it is a bit bothersome but I only have to fill the tank every third fill. Our tank is on the drivers side but at the back. It takes about $12 to fill the tank. We are making 8+ with a 48,000 rig.
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I'm thinking you misspoke and meant to say "per 2.5 gallons of DEF"? What you've stated would be at least 4 times the DEF usage most are reporting and what I am experiencing.
0.0083 gpm is too much?? As I understand it, the scrubber activates on a as needed basis. I have done much of my traveling in hilly and mountainous areas so I am thinking the system would need to work harder because more dirty exhaust would be passing through when I was using more fuel per mile. This type of system is all new to me so I may be thinking wrong.
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0.0083 gpm is too much?? As I understand it, the scrubber activates on a as needed basis. I have done much of my traveling in hilly and mountainous areas so I am thinking the system would need to work harder because more dirty exhaust would be passing through when I was using more fuel per mile. This type of system is all new to me so I may be thinking wrong.
You'll also be using more fuel in those conditions, I'd think it would even out some. Maybe the percentage use of DEF goes up under those conditions, I don't know, but at 10 gallons of DEF to 1000 miles that would be about 7% DEF to fuel (assuming 7 miles to the gallon of fuel). Cummins estimates an average of 2% and we've been averaging just under that with a mix of mountains and prairie.
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You'll also be using more fuel in those conditions, I'd think it would even out some. Maybe the percentage use of DEF goes up under those conditions, I don't know, but at 10 gallons of DEF to 1000 miles that would be about 7% DEF to fuel (assuming 7 miles to the gallon of fuel). Cummins estimates an average of 2% and we've been averaging just under that with a mix of mountains and prairie.
Jay, I will do a better job of keeping tract of how much I use and how often I fill. We have not traveled far enough in this coach yet. I have bought it off the shelf because I didn't know where I would be able to find a pump. I have just learned about cross lane pumping. I was able to fill the fuel and DEF on my last stop. Now will be the first time I can do a true comparison. You may be correct in your math. I have taken your challenge.

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