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Old 12-06-2014, 08:05 PM   #43
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There is a vendor on here "Five Star DEF", he posted earlier in this thread. He has containers specifically for DEF and even has a collar for his DEF containers that will defeat the magnetic lock on some of the pumps. He's a very knowledgeable guy and answer any questions you might have.

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Old 12-06-2014, 08:58 PM   #44
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Thank you un-elected and un-impeachable EPA bureaucrats. I am forced to use DEF if I want a modern TV. If it was up to me I wouldn't use the stuff as I don't see that it does anything useful.

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Old 12-06-2014, 09:54 PM   #45
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Thank you un-elected and un-impeachable EPA bureaucrats. I am forced to use DEF if I want a modern TV. If it was up to me I wouldn't use the stuff as I don't see that it does anything useful.
Your TV runs on DEF, thats definitely an abomination. Does it have unwanted smell'o'vision too?
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Old 12-06-2014, 10:28 PM   #46
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Originally Posted by TDI-Minnie View Post
DEF is not the only emissions "game in town".
Many have used DPF and EGRs for years. Those are diesel particulate filters and exhaust gas recirculator. I will say DEF is least harmful to the engine, but just because your diesel doesn't use DEF, doesn't mean it is not regulated to the same level. 2012 was the last year Ram used DPFs on the Cummins. Now they are all DEFs.
Best efficiency and long engine life is of course, none of this stuff!
Nothing else was able to meet 2010 emission standards. All these diesel have DPF's for particulates, DEF and EGR are not for particulates, they are for NOx emissions. Dodge/Cummins used credits to get by until 2012. Ram still has DPF's along with the DEF since they are for different emissions (soot vs NOx)

Navistar tried advanced EGR and where unable to get NOx emissions low enough. They tried using banked emissions credits past 2012 to keep selling engines without DEF and Volvo sued the EPA to get them to stop as they and everyone else had to go to DEF. It did not go well for Navistar.

The most efficient engines run lean and hot, unfortunately running very lean and very hot like a diesel also creates NOx from air which causes acid rain and respiratory problems.

As I stated EPA doesn't care how you get NOx emissions down, DEF is the only way to do so with current technology and meet 2010 standards.
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Thank you un-elected and un-impeachable EPA bureaucrats. I am forced to use DEF if I want a modern TV. If it was up to me I wouldn't use the stuff as I don't see that it does anything useful.
There is a gain using DEF. The fact is my engine is de-rated to 360hp WITHOUT the DEF system and 380hp WITH the system. It is true that the 20hp increase only coasts $15K but it works!

Part of what you say is true. But my rig burns very clean and has good power. Some of what is happening to us through the government regulations must be placed back upon the design engineers and the manufactures. Cutting corners has ALWAYS been at the expense of the product users and not the share holders. Often the better way would have benefited everyone by keeping the government regulators out of our business because the manufactures did it right the first time. I am all for free enterprise, just not at the expense of the workers or end users... us.

DEF is a good solution to a growing problem and will be replaced with some new improvement that is probably on the drawing board but was side tracked because of bureaucratic interference.

Now. About your TV. Maybe you need to rethink your approach to your problem. Sounds like you are now planning to throw out the baby with the bath water. Why not replace the TV instead of the wall?

Happy trails.

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