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Old 04-12-2011, 12:00 PM   #477
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No need for practice with a shotgun, point and pull the trigger.
That statement MIGHT be true for someone who is very familiar with shotguns and that partilular shotgun, because their past experience/training/practice will kick in. That attitude is NOT likely to work for one who is not experienced, and especially not in the close confines of an RV ...but it may work as a scare-em tactic!
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I hope I'm not too far off topic and I'm not sure what the moral of the story is but here near Phoenix, last week we had an incident of road rage that resulted in a 56 year old man getting out of his pick up with a gun in his hand and approaching the other (21 yo) driver. The younger man, seeing the gun, pulled his own gun and emptied it into the older man's chest.

I think the investigation is still ongoing but preliminary reports had it as self defense.

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This will happen more as people feel or get qualified and get a carrry permit, but the are not mentally or emotionally qualified. What was the man getting out of the car with a gun expecting to happen? You carry a weapon for DEFENSE. IF you think you need it for OFFENSE you might want to rethink you life.
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This will happen more as people feel or get qualified and get a carrry permit, but the are not mentally or emotionally qualified. What was the man getting out of the car with a gun expecting to happen? You carry a weapon for DEFENSE. IF you think you need it for OFFENSE you might want to rethink you life.
Road rage sucks. Getting out of your car about it with a firearm is one of those kind of incidents I don't like reading about, but I'd much rather read about it than be part of it...
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As a Canadian I have been reading these posts with a lot of interest. I clearly understand that is your right to carry arms in your country. But I would like to know why some believe that they also should be able to enjoy that right while traveling in my country? I am posting this just for discussion not to offend anyone.
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I have a can of wasp spray near by. It's good for 18 Ft.
and I'm told it's terrible on the eyes. It cost me 4 bucks.
I may get a gun some day. Just a thought.
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As a Canadian I have been reading these posts with a lot of interest. I clearly understand that is your right to carry arms in your country. But I would like to know why some believe that they also should be able to enjoy that right while traveling in my country? I am posting this just for discussion not to offend anyone.
Although I do not care for the laws in Canada I do follow them when I am in your country. I know that every time I cross the border that the US constitution does not apply in Canada. Self defense is a God given right and there are a few people that believe it applies everywhere. It should, but it don't and the law abiding gun owners and ccw holders make sure they know and follow the laws at all times whether it is going into another country, state or town.
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My grandfather was a city cop. Always thought it was silly for civilians to carry or as he put it " hide behind a gun"
My dad was a pilot and an MP in WWII.. he never felt it was necessary for people to go around armed.
I shouldn't comment in this thread and I certainly shouldn't be disrespectful of those with differing opinions. With that said I'll make a brief comment. You're grandfather, like all others, has a right to his opinion; however, I don't believe civilians who carry weapons are necessarily 'hiding behind a gun'. Secondly, I too have served in the military and I understand your father's statement - to a point. It may not be necessary but if it does become necessary it's too late. My stance is simply that I will provide my families defence until (and if) those assigned our protection arrive. As one person stated, "When seconds count, it only takes minutes for the police to arrive." No offense to police meant by that statement. It is simply true that police can not and are not every where at all times.

If we lived in a perfected world this thread wouldn't exist. We don't and reality sometimes is hard to accept.
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As a Canadian I have been reading these posts with a lot of interest. I clearly understand that is your right to carry arms in your country. But I would like to know why some believe that they also should be able to enjoy that right while traveling in my country? I am posting this just for discussion not to offend anyone.
I respect your thoughts but am thankful we still maintain the right.

As a US citizen I'd like to add that if we lose one right we are at the threshold of losing them all. For if one right is not protected and held in honor should we expect any to be?
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I hope I'm not too far off topic and I'm not sure what the moral of the story is but here near Phoenix, last week we had an incident of road rage that resulted in a 56 year old man getting out of his pick up with a gun in his hand and approaching the other (21 yo) driver. The younger man, seeing the gun, pulled his own gun and emptied it into the older man's chest.

I think the investigation is still ongoing but preliminary reports had it as self defense.

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Sounds like the 21yo might have went beyond self defense and into murder if he emptied the mag. The threat is usually over well before the weapon is empty as long as you are hitting the intended target.
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Depends on the firearm. A Taurus slim & the little Kahr Are 7 shot as I recall .
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Also spends on the caliber, if it's a little .380 with a soft loAd, you'll probably need everything it's got.
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Sounds like the 21yo might have went beyond self defense and into murder if he emptied the mag. The threat is usually over well before the weapon is empty as long as you are hitting the intended target.

Or maybe he was following the current doctrine of many law enforcement agencies. Instead of aimed fire, shoot till it's empty, you're bound to hit something!

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Something to chew on. I believe it to be within the last year, but at any rate, police were called about a break in and assualt in some mid-west city. Police responded but after a check left the scene. Second call a while later, police came back didn't get out of car. Woman was killed by attacker. Courts later established that the Police do not have an obligation to protect an individual citizen from harm.
Like it has been stated earlier, when seconds count, police are only min. away. And since many RVers boonedock, well, one could only guess.
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This will happen more as people feel or get qualified and get a carrry permit, but the are not mentally or emotionally qualified. What was the man getting out of the car with a gun expecting to happen? You carry a weapon for DEFENSE. IF you think you need it for OFFENSE you might want to rethink you life.
I couldn't agree more. I usually come across in these discussions as being "anti gun" and that's not the case at all. My problem is with those rare individuals who become bullies with a gun in hand and use it offensively to press their point. In one thread someone actually made the statement that they had pulled their weapon many times to keep situations from escalating. IMHO, once a gun is pulled the situation escalates automatically and often uncontrollably.

In the case of this road rage incident, it's great support for those who contend that one shouldn't pull their gun unless they are ready to fire it... and shouldn't fire it without an intention to kill their target. The guy who got out of his truck with a gun in his hand was probably doing it to scare the kid... but he got a real surprise.

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