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Old 01-07-2012, 09:18 PM   #57
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Wait til you remove the factory carpet. Mine had two different size staples and the installers must have been paid by the staple.
It took me 3 hrs to remove carpet from my 98 allegro. I swear they used 500 staples under the walls and cabinets. I ended up removing the dinette, couch, kitchen counter, bed and toilet to get all the carpet out!
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Old 01-07-2012, 09:50 PM   #58
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Fleetwood must of payed the designers or fitters of our '87 bounder too much!

With its city water connection directly over the top of the park cable connector!!!

Plus the h2o connection was also right near the hard wired end of the 30amp shore power cord.. 1-2" tops!?!?!?

Both have been corrected with park cable & water connections moved to different compartments.
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Old 01-07-2012, 10:12 PM   #59
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The one big design issue I never understood.

Mounting a TV overhead between the front seats. Unless you are single, stretched out on the couch they are useless.
HEY.....that's me.....but I also have a captain's chair at a small table behind the passenger's chair. So, when I have a "visitor" I sit in it so they can relax on the couch. It can be viewed from the forward facing dinette seat.
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Old 01-08-2012, 05:38 AM   #60
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My solution to these problems is simple - all designers should be made to live in the proto-type of their design for a month. I am confident that would result in a lot of changes.
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When I looked at MHs, there was always one thing that I didn't like in all of the ones I looked at until I looked at the Breeze I bought. Things like bathroom access, bedroom layout, kitchen, etc. There were a couple minor things I found after buying, but easily changed.

My friend has the same year Breeze, but the LX model. His wife complains that they paid $20,000 more and I got a better kitchen layout, more storage and a bunch of other things. They don't even have a bathtub. Mine has a tub/shower. From what I have read and heard, National over built and under priced their coaches.

Sorry for braggin', but I think I did good or was at the right place at the right time.
Which model has more storage and a better kitchen layout? I am pretty sure that I want a Breeze, but would love your input. Thanks
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Old 01-08-2012, 10:17 AM   #62
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My buddy has the LX with the workhorse chassis, but his floor plan is like the 1321. Look at the pantrys on both. My 1311 pantry is ~20 wide and 3-4 levels. I forget, it's in the hospital. The area behind the sink on mine is three levels of slide out drawers for cans, etc. His wife considers the area behind her sink is wasted space. The 3 burner stove has a fold up top like the rest of the counter. I have two side by side medicine cabinets and storage below and beside the sink. My buddy also said my 1311 was the entry level Breeze, but I wouldn't trade for his LX. Google whatever year you are looking at as the floor plan may have changed.

The pictures at the top are the 1321.

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Old 01-08-2012, 11:37 AM   #63
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Hey Dunner, can you turn your drivers chair all the way around like the picture in your link? I've tried all kinds of way to attempt that, but never got it done. Had a friend who had a Dolphin try it after I saw his turned around, but no luck. I have the large steering wheel which may be the problem.

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Old 01-08-2012, 11:57 AM   #64
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Mine is not the only coach with this problem. I still scratch my head and wonder, "what were they thinking?"



I fixed it by installing a larger "deck plate" and in the process moved the hole to the left. We're happy dumpers now!

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My solution to these problems is simple - all designers should be made to live in the proto-type of their design for a month. I am confident that would result in a lot of changes.
I thought the same thing the first time I saw the Pontiac Aztek
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Glenn,

Mine only turns like the passenger seat shown. Notice how much further out the driver seat is? Photoshop?
I take it you did tilt the steering wheel all the way up and tried forward and backward on the seat. Come to think of it, I don't remember if I ever tried it with the slide all the way out. Probably did, as I do sometimes have it out at home when working on it.
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Hey Dunner, can you turn your drivers chair all the way around like the picture in your link? I've tried all kinds of way to attempt that, but never got it done. Had a friend who had a Dolphin try it after I saw his turned around, but no luck. I have the large steering wheel which may be the problem.

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To get my drivers seat to turn 180 degrees I have to tilt the steering wheel all the way up to the dash, then slide the seat all the way forward so as it turns its all the way back away from the wheel.
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On the 08 Allegro Bus, the rear view camera has no IR diodes to illuminate the tow at night. Go down a dark road and you can't tell if the toad is even there. I installed an IR flood light. Also, the front privacy and sun shades were on the ignition bus rather than the battery bus. Each time you wanted to adjust the sun or privacy screen when are camping you had to turn on the ignition.
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I don't remember if mine lines up, but I have a 1' piece of dump hose with male and female quick connect ends on it that I attach to the dump port. The male quick connect end connects to a 45° clear elbow. I just drop it through the hole and connect it to 20' of hose. I store all of it in my garage as there is no dump site where I dry camp.
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