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Old 10-17-2013, 04:58 PM   #1
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Ever heard of this?

I called Gulf Stream today to ask for a plumping diagram and that asked for the last 6 numbers of the vin. After giving them the vin number he said that is a 2005 Gulf Stream Concerdo. I said the title said 2004, he said the DMV a lot of times get it wrong, using the certain number in the vin to determine the year. He said they buy 200 trucks at time and build the motorhome on them. They decide what year it is not the DMV. He is to e mail the proper work to re-title it from 2004 to 2005. Does that sound correct?
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Old 10-17-2013, 05:02 PM   #2
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Yes. Common.

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Old 10-17-2013, 05:03 PM   #3
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Yes, that is the way it goes. The 200 trucks might sit for 6 months or more before they start on the RV part. Then, they set the year when they finish. The DMV looks at the VIN of the truck and set the year to that.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:17 PM   #4
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Often the DMV uses the chassis vin.. If the chassis is one of the last made in the 2004 model year and it sits on the body maker's lot for a while it can easily be 2 model years (Really one year and one day) older than the body bolted onto it.

So it's fairly common.

Usually though it is one year different.
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Old 10-17-2013, 06:49 PM   #5
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Be aware when you need chassis or engine work, go by the older number. DMV didn't get it wrong, they go by the VIN which has year of manufacture coded in it. The 'house' that was built on the chassis might be newer, but the chassis goes by VIN age.
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Old 10-19-2013, 10:27 AM   #6
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DMV didn't get it wrong, they go by the VIN which has year of manufacture coded in it. The 'house' that was built on the chassis might be newer, but the chassis goes by VIN age.
Sorry, but they did get it "wrong" as far as the vehicle title is concerned. By federal law the title year is the one shown on the Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin. By the way, your insurance company has it wrong too.

But you have to buy chassis parts according to the actual year the chassis was built, so keep that VIN year handy for parts shopping.

Another anomaly that may occur is that a chassis of one year may have an engine from a previous year, e.g. my 2004 Freightliner chassis has a 2003 Cummins ISL engine. The chassis builders buy engines before they build the chassis, so they may use a previous year engine in a new chassis. This happened often in 2007 and 2010, when new EPA regs went into effect. The chassis builders bought a lot of engines in advance of the new emissions date and then installed them later.
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Old 10-19-2013, 12:28 PM   #7
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Back in 2003 I moved from CA to AZ. When I left CA I had a 98 Sea View, AZ upgraded me to a 99 Sea View. It was a 98 model built on the new 99 Triton V10 chassis. AZ MVD said it had to be registered according to the VIN.

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AZ MVD would be absolutely wrong about that, but most of the clerks in the office don't know any better. Get a supervisor if they insist that it has to be based on VIN.
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Gary in Texas the DMV will only use the VIN to determine the model year
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Gary in Texas the DMV will only use the VIN to determine the model year
What can I say? They are in violation of federal law. Have you raised the question with the state level DMV officials? It is not unusual for local DMV offices to insist that the VIN is the controlling number, only to eventually find out they are wrong in their procedures.

This excerpt from the Texas Title Manual says that "Year Model" is permitted to differ from the Year Made" by one year, but then says to get Year Model form the VIN. Confusing!

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agree with the year model as shown on the surrendered evidence. If an application is supported by out-of-state documents that show “year made” instead of “year model,” the year model shown may vary one year from “year made” in order to show the correct year model.
Note: Counties should determine the year model from the vehicle identification number.
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I did check the federal law as the one fellow said and it is Federal Law that the year is determined by manufacture not the VIN.
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We had a similar problem with our last coach. The engine (CAT C7) was built in Dec 06, the chassis was built in Apr of 07, and the coach was sold as an 08. Had a hard time registering it in California after purchasing it in Oregon and taking possession of it in Arizona.
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From the FED's:
Titling RV upon Model year of RV, Not the Chassis.

"Please be advised that the practice of titling recreation vehicles based on the year of manufacture of the coach and not the chassis was confirmed by resolution of the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators in 1979. Resolution 18c, 19c, and 20 of the AAMVA apply.

It is important to note that in a two-stage manuracturing process the model year is not obtained from the chassis VIN but from the Final Stage (Coach) Manufacturer's Certificate of Origin (MCO). Model year is defined in Chapter V, Part 571 of the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (Federal Register Volume 44 No. 57 Thursday, March 22, 1979). "Model Year means the year used to designate a discrete vehicle model irrespective of the calendar year in which the vehicle was actually produced so long as the actual period is less than 2 years."

The Federal Trade Commission recognized the fact that the model year of a motor home is assigned by the Final Stage (Coach) manufacturer in May 1979 (Federal Register Volume 44 No. 103/ Friday, May 25, 1979; 16 CFR Part 14). In that document the Federal Trade Commission requires Final Stage (Coach) manufacturers to designate the model year of a vehicle. It stated that "manufacturers of chassis or incomplete vehicles sold to motor home or recreational vehicle manufactures who issue a separate Certificate of Origin need not assign model years to these vehicles."

Not my opinion but exactly what the Fed law states. safe travels... ed
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