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Old 11-25-2013, 07:33 PM   #57
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But you only buy RV tires once every 6-8 years. 8 years of $50/yr memberships is $400 spent in dues to save ~$500-600 on tires. Still a benefit but not nearly as compelling.
It's only $50 for the first year - once you've joined it's only $40 to keep your membership current.
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i was told same thing
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Old 11-29-2013, 08:01 AM   #59
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. Let's keep the discussion on FMCA please.

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Old 11-29-2013, 08:36 AM   #60
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The Sedalia rally generated a lot of bad feelings toward FMCA. We also were in the area for other reasons, have been FMCA members for ten years, and like many others who wanted to make a quick pass through vendors, etc were told (and not politely in most cases) that no day passes were available and that we had to pay the full rally fee if we wanted to come in. I learned later that a few bought day passes online and were admitted, but those who asked at the gates were told no day passes would be sold. We have been members of an FMCA chassis owner chapter, but never received any communication of any kind, not even a dues reminder, so are not members of any chapter at present. I have emailed both at large and local chapters a few times but have never got a response. We have been to one FMCA regional rally several years ago, but after Sedalia would not be likely to attend another. We frankly don't value the magazine ...never have liked it much ...DW doesn't even look at it anymore. At this point, I could not tell you whether or how long we will remain members. Sedalia may have been the nail in the coffin, when it could easily have been the spark that re-ignited our interest.
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Frankly I missed their magazine. Kinda fun to look at the new fancy MHs even if I can't afford them. We went to one big rally here at the Minnesota State Fair Grounds and felt a little out of place with our antique Airstream MH, so we dropped out. The rally was great however. Lots of good info, just not for our old unit.

Now with a newer and bigger rig we will attend again.
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FMCA seems to be a bit elitist, from what I hear.
No trailers allowed. If you go from MH to 5er you are shunned.
The advocate for MH folks in the "industry" but not RVs in general.
Folks with older or smaller MHs feel dimunitive.

Now they have a BOGO for membership. A sign of falling membership or cash flow problems?

Sorry folks. No allure for me.
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Now they have a BOGO for membership. A sign of falling membership or cash flow problems?
A year or so ago, I found the 2011 FMCA annual financial report online (as far as I can tell that's the last year they released it to the general public). It shows an organization with ~$6.5M annual revenue and ~$7.5M annual expenses. The books were balanced for that year by a net asset reduction of over a million dollars. I'm no accountant but that doesn't sound to me like a sustainable budget situation!

I'm sure that FMCA has done things since then to reduce its fixed costs, but those of us who've ever been in shrinking organizations can attest to the fact that it's very difficult to shrink quickly enough to cope with rapid revenue loss.

Anyone who is interested in that 2011 FMCA Annual Report can read it here: http://weisstravels.com/resources/FM...dit_report.pdf
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FMCA seems to be a bit elitist, from what I hear.
No trailers allowed. If you go from MH to 5er you are shunned.
The advocate for MH folks in the "industry" but not RVs in general.
Folks with older or smaller MHs feel dimunitive.
Sorry folks. No allure for me.
Yep, no argument there. In fact its right in their name. F Family, M Motor C Coach, A Assn.

A bit elitist all right, but so are most organizations like that.
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Would it still be elitist if the name was Family 5er Association or Travel Trailer Association with membership limited to just those type units?

Now if the name was Family Campers Association but limited to MH only I might be able to grasp the concern even then I would be more enclined to pass it off to a poor name choice.
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FRVA. All inclusive. None excluded. All welcome. An expanded customer base!

I have seen many business models that succeed or fail. FMCA does not seem to be planning to fail, but possibly failing to plan?

Perhaps their bottom line would improve if they had Open House times at events, with FMCA (FRVA?) reps to provide tours and sample magazines and such.

A welcoming stance can work wonders! An exclusionary stance begets negativity.
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Putting aside whether the folks at FMCA consider the owners of towables to be "lower class" RVers, if you ran an organization that was losing members (as recently as two years ago I was told the net loss was ~500/mo) and had a substantial net operational loss, wouldn't you be looking for ways to increase your membership base? IMHO becoming the Family Recreational Vehicle Association (FRVA) would be a no-brainer.

I would guess that the average FMCA member's age is >70 and I bet the membership attrition just due to death and infirmity is substantial. You would think that a forward-looking organization would be evaluating its options. Do we want to stay the same and become a smaller organization over time or do we want to change and try to attract a broader membership base?

The last time I looked at RVIA new RV data, sales of towables were ~90% of the RV market. In its current incarnation, FMCA starts by excluding those 90% of RV owners. IMHO it would be a lot easier to remain viable by being more inclusive.
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We are together on this docj.

Another point: FRVA would serve not only a wider customer base, but younger folks, and more families. That would provide perpetual membership growth. And with a growing customer base, sponsors would climb on the boat: more discounts, bigger discounts, more vendors vying for exposure thru an expanding international, all inclusive RV club.
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My take on FMCA . . .

We bought our first motorhome in August of 2005 and soon joined FMCA. We are still members.

Until we traded for a new motorhome in February of 2012, our FMCA member number oval was displayed on our rig in plain sight. When we got the new rig, I chose not to display it. Why? In the 6 or 7 years it was display, nobody ever said anything about it . . . no "howdy" or anything else that could be directly attributed to our FMCA membership.

We are still members mostly because we like the magazine. We have never benefited from any FMCA discount (except maybe the CoachNet thing the first time we got it), we have never been to any FMCA rally or meeting. We have never had any kind of FMCA discussion or conversation with anyone . . . never!

Perhaps one issue could be our two little motorhomes just didn't/don't fit into anyone's idea of what FMCA represents. Didn't see any minimum length restrictions when we joined, though. We still enjoy the magazine and simply have no other expectations of our membership. If the magazine ever becomes uninteresting to us, our membership will likely just expire.
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My take on FMCA . . .

We bought our first motorhome in August of 2005 and soon joined FMCA. We are still members.

Until we traded for a new motorhome in February of 2012, our FMCA member number oval was displayed on our rig in plain sight. When we got the new rig, I chose not to display it. Why? In the 6 or 7 years it was display, nobody ever said anything about it . . . no "howdy" or anything else that could be directly attributed to our FMCA membership.

We are still members mostly because we like the magazine. We have never benefited from any FMCA discount (except maybe the CoachNet thing the first time we got it), we have never been to any FMCA rally or meeting. We have never had any kind of FMCA discussion or conversation with anyone . . . never!
This is exactly our story, except we have been members for only 2 years. The membership has been of little value to us, so we will not renew. When we initially joined I wasn't quite sure what we were signing up for, but it seemed like a good idea at the time. (I also managed to sign up for two roadside assistance companies....) Shortly after we joined, the most attractive perks (medical transport, etc.) were changed from "included in membership" to fee-based.

The magazines were nice at first, but now that we are more seasoned RVers, we aren't pouring over every page like we used to. Each of us has to weigh the options and decide whether FMCA is a good fit.
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