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Old 06-27-2012, 08:48 PM   #127
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Eat your hearts out. I never thought I would dance around with fuel at $2.75

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Old 06-27-2012, 09:03 PM   #128
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"Here" meaning where you live or "here" in the Republic of Kalifornic?

Only metropolitan areas in AZ require smog tests.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:07 PM   #129
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Eat your hearts out. I never thought I would dance around with fuel at $2.75
That's just further proof it's an election year. But, I will gladly take the lower prices.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:29 PM   #130
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Ahhh! Good old California...

Noth'in green here except our vehicle emissions
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:57 PM   #131
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Its on the california DMV website.

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I was floored when my dad said he had to get his diesel truck smogged. If I remember right he said something about them not having to actually hook any machines up, that it was just a visual test to make sure certain things were there. IF I remember right, that is.
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In AZ, they stick a probe up your tail pipe to test if their machine can see through your soot and now do a visual for a CAT-CON.
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I tried to appeal the CAT ruling and was told by the higher powers that they never should have told me I didn't need one. Well, not exactly didn't need one, just that they didn't check for one. Glad I saved it. It would have cost mega bucks to buy a new one.
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Old 06-27-2012, 10:49 PM   #134
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Seems like forever since we have seen fuel for $2.75 a gallon! I might even consider going there just to say we got it for that price. kwim
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Seems like forever since we have seen fuel for $2.75 a gallon! I might even consider going there just to say we got it for that price. kwim
We are still $.50 above that on regular as of this morning.
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Found regular for $3.61 but for the most part its around $3.70
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Raw material cost is probably not the most significant factor in price at the pump. On the other hand, raw material cost may be the most significant factor in wholesale cost of refined material. They are not necessarily linked.

Cost of crude oil directly affects wholesale price of gas, and indirectly affects retail prices at the pump. Market forces (supply/demand and competition) is a more powerful force in retail prices than the current price of crude oil.

For instance, if I owned the only gas station in a 100 mile radius, I could probably charge whatever I wanted for a gallon of gas. And if you pulled up to my station with your needle on 'E', you'd have to pay the price. My cost of the fuel wouldn't matter that much. It would cause my margin to fluctuate, but not necessarily the pump price YOU pay.

Only where competition drives margins to their thinnest will you see retail prices follow wholesale prices. To watch the daily price of oil fluctuate and try to correlate that with price at the pump is an exercize in futility.
Of course crude oil price is the basis for the high or low cost of gasoline. Second most important is the geographical monopolies enjoyed by big OIL. While the elected representatives and regulators were busy with baseball and football issues, BiG Oil was quietly trading companies and merging to achieve monopolies without appearing to do so. We have had BP, Mobil, Exxon, etc disappear from our markets here in Washington, while Shell Texaco/Chevron gained pump shares. Congress fiddled and we pay. Lastly, the argument about pipelines and refinery is bogus, we have a huge refinery 50 miles from here, and pipelines north and south.

One more argument about high prices go to speculators. 30 percent of the price of crude is speculation. It could be dealt with by requiring speculators to take delivery of crude instead of selling it the same tanker, 3 or 4 times enroute to a destination.
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Of course crude oil price is the basis for the high or low cost of gasoline.
It is. But my point was, crude oil price affects the wholesale cost of gasoline directly, not so much the retail price at the pump, and so trying to correlate price of crude with price at the pump over a short time frame is pointless.

In other words, the price of crude only affects the minimum price a retailer can charge at the pump without losing money. The market and other factors determine the maximum price they can charge.
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It is. But my point was, crude oil price affects the wholesale cost of gasoline directly, not so much the retail price at the pump, and so trying to correlate price of crude with price at the pump over a short time frame is pointless.

In other words, the price of crude only affects the minimum price a retailer can charge at the pump without losing money. The market and other factors determine the maximum price they can charge.
I pointed out other factors, big oil regional monopolies. If oil goes up, gas goes up, if oil goes down, gas goes down but does not correspond to the lowering of crude nearly as much as the opposite situation.

Speculaters. Provide nothing handle nothing and drive up the cost of fuel. The bain of our existence.

Retailers complain they make very little off of gasoline, ergo the tread towards the large convenience outlets which were once gas statioins.

We in Washington pay one of hte highest fuel taxes in the country which does make it a difference in our pricing, however Idaho and Utah, Montana etc do not have an onerous tax yet they charge nearly as much. Billings has oiil refineries.

There is more going on than free marketeers making a buck.
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Today I got diesel in Ft. Myers Fl. for $3.33. When I was getting on I-75 I saw the Pilot station was selling diesel for $3.79.... There is no reason for that other than greed...
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