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Old 06-27-2012, 04:11 PM   #113
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Typically on the West Coast, particularily the North West...we are told that this is a isolated market. Oil companies used to tell us, that as the price of crude dropped, it would take a few weeks to see a drop at the pumps.......but since we are at below $80 for crude..or lower.....Companies now tell us that we are an unique and isolated market I'm not kidding I heard this on the radio......Interesting. I think some areas of the country are part of a strategy/study by oil and maybe government to see what the break price point is that will push folks to the point of dumping their toys and cutting back on driving.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:17 PM   #114
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Do you remember the days when you bought something and the price depended on whether you were East of the Rockies or West of the Rockies? More in Alaska and Hawaii.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:23 PM   #115
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Here in Vancouver (the older one in WA) reg unleaded gas is 3.599 and diesel is 3.999 down to 3.749 if you look around.
Unleaded is now 3.379 but diesel hasn't dropped much if at all.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:33 PM   #117
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but why is gasoline $3.49 a gallon in Oregon and 200 miles away over $4 in Seattle?
Oregon law requires full service attendants which should mean higher prices at the pumps.

Perhaps Seattle's economy may be better then Oregon and can handle higher prices?
Nope, it's simply the fact that you have Sales Tax State + any King County sub-taxes + Higher Fuel taxes in addition to the Sales tax = We can have gas pumped for us for less than what you can pump it for yourselves in Washington, especially in King County.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:47 PM   #118
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Rates (per gallon): July 1, 2012 – December 31, 2012Tax typeMotor fuelSpecial fuelAircraft fuelDOL average cost of fuel purchases$3.90 $3.90 $3.90 State fuel tax$0.38 $0.38 $0.11 Net use (sales) tax$0.27 $0.27 $0.27 (based on average state rate of 8.2%)Federal fuel tax$0.18 $0.24 Jet fuel: $.219Aviation gas: $.194Coastal Protection Fund fee$0.01 N/AN/ARates (per gallon): January 1, 2012 – June 30, 2012Tax typeMotor fuelSpecial fuelAircraft fuelDOL average cost of fuel purchases$3.86 $3.86 $3.86 State fuel tax$0.38 $0.38 $0.11 Net use (sales) tax$0.27 $0.27 $0.27 (based on average state rate of 8.2%)Federal fuel tax$0.18 $0.24 Jet fuel: $.219Aviation gas: $.194Coastal Protection Fund fee$0.01 N/AN/A

Last time I checked this is was the tax rate for WA, and I have heard that we pay county taxes here on top of this but I have never looked for it.
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Rates (per gallon): July 1, 2012 – December 31, 2012Tax typeMotor fuelSpecial fuelAircraft fuelDOL average cost of fuel purchases$3.90 $3.90 $3.90 State fuel tax$0.38 $0.38 $0.11 Net use (sales) tax$0.27 $0.27 $0.27 (based on average state rate of 8.2%)Federal fuel tax$0.18 $0.24 Jet fuel: $.219Aviation gas: $.194Coastal Protection Fund fee$0.01 N/AN/ARates (per gallon): January 1, 2012 – June 30, 2012Tax typeMotor fuelSpecial fuelAircraft fuelDOL average cost of fuel purchases$3.86 $3.86 $3.86 State fuel tax$0.38 $0.38 $0.11 Net use (sales) tax$0.27 $0.27 $0.27 (based on average state rate of 8.2%)Federal fuel tax$0.18 $0.24 Jet fuel: $.219Aviation gas: $.194Coastal Protection Fund fee$0.01 N/AN/A

Last time I checked this is was the tax rate for WA, and I have heard that we pay county taxes here on top of this but I have never looked for it.
County and in some areas, even city level. Seattle and the surrounding area is similar to Chicago when it comes to prices compared to other parts of the same state.

This happens in the Portland area as well, but you can mitigate it somewhat by simply buying outside of the city limits of Portland and multnomah county proper.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:59 PM   #120
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but why is gasoline $3.49 a gallon in Oregon and 200 miles away over $4 in Seattle?
Oregon law requires full service attendants which should mean higher prices at the pumps.

Perhaps Seattle's economy may be better then Oregon and can handle higher prices?
If you look at the tax breakdown, you will see that we lucky Washingtonians pay some of the highest state fuel taxes in the country. "To maintain the highways" (ha!) Goes into the state ferry system, too, I believe.

An areas economy should have nothing to do with prices at the pump, grocery store or anywhere else.

BTW - just across the state line into north Idaho, their gas prices have always been lower than ours in Spokane.

The astonishing part of the Oregon gas/diesel prices is seeing diesel less expensive than regular grade gasoline.

JoAnn - an eastern Washingtonian visiting Oregon, up the coast and now heading home along the Columbia.
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Got my coach out yesterday and diesel is down to $3.19. only thing is I have full tank from last trip and I paid $3.89 to fill her up. Get ready next Thursday when I come home from a trip. It'll be $4 again.
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The astonishing part of the Oregon gas/diesel prices is seeing diesel less expensive than regular grade gasoline.
Diesel used to be a lot lower than gasoline. With more diesel cars and trucks being sold, the oil companies found a cash cow in diesel fuel. They blame the higher prices on global demand and the cost of green coverings for the pump handles. Yeah, right.
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Yah and now you have to get smog checks on diesels here... lame!
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Smog or opacity tests?

When I bought my diesel truck, I asked a smog cop if I needed a CAT converter. She looked it up and said: It came with one, but we don't check for them on a diesel vehicle. Nine years later, they changed the AZ requirements so that if it came with one, it needed one. Back on it went and down went my power and MPG. I already lost ~1 MPG when they went to ultra low sulfur diesel.
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Currently, smog inspections are required for all vehicles except diesel powered vehicles manufactured prior to 1998 or with a Gross Vehicle Weight (GVWR) of more than 14,000 lbs, electric, natural gas powered vehicles over 14,000 lbs, hybrids, motorcycles, trailers, or gasoline powered vehicles 1975 and older.
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