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Old 09-04-2012, 12:53 AM   #1
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Geo Method fine tuning

I have used the Geo method for about a month - learned it here of course.
It has worked very well for us. But I have a few misc questions -

1) It seems that a cup of detergent and two cups of softener is a lot. I have decreased the amounts quite a bit and it seems to still work.

2) I can not find actual WATER SOFTENER, so have been using fabric softener. Seems to work okay -sure smells good! But where can I find the water softener?

3) Why is it called GEO ?

4) I usually put a little of the fabric softener down the sinks, to help with the gray water smell. But in the last week the smell has been really bad, in spite of that. It's as strong as the black tank, different of course, but just as offensive. Could I -should I put a little happy camper down the sink drains just to super dose the smell critters?

5) use of bleach - I was told some time ago that bleach seriously breaks down plastic. Is it still safe to put a little down the sinks and toilet (diluted of course) ? Apparently it is since it's suggested here, but I have to ask anyway.

Tomorrow we are going to a park that has let us know they have a requirement that they dump and flush our system when we first get there - apparently they had someone dump with a chemical containing formaldehyde, - bad for the environment. Anyone else experience this? We're fairly new, and haven't seen this before. I told them I don't use chemicals, and we will be arriving clean anyway. Will be interesting at the least. Seems a little excessive, but maybe I've missed something in the instructions, wouldn't be the first time I misunderstood what somebody said.
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Old 09-04-2012, 01:07 AM   #2
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Heck, that sounds good to me... I would much rather them do it for me. Sure wouldn't want that guys job.
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Not to sure what this post is about but I believe tthe water softener you want is call Calgon.

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As a user of the GEO method for some time, here is my answer to your questions.

1) I use one cup of laundry detergent and one of Calgon water softener liquid each time in a 50 gal. black holding tank.

2) Calgon water softener is available all over the place, grocery stores etc. but you have to look for it. The reason for the water softener, not fabric softener, is to get the tanks conditioned so that nothing sticks to the insides of them.

3) GEO, make up your favorite acronym. Good Environmental Option for example.

4) A shot of bleach in your grey tanks will help to remove the smell, but it is perhaps your sink and shower traps are empty and allow venting through your traps.

5) If bleach hurt plumbing and tanks, mine would have disintegrated by now.

Enjoy the GEO method and save the money wasted on bottled holding tank remedies.
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I think Calgon will work better than Oh-So-Soft (Fabric softerner)

Why is it called GEO.....

Well you move around and the GEOgraphy of the land sloshes the solution around providing the agitation needed to clean.. IT is also "Green" by the way. of all the cleaners and chemicals you can use except for WATER this is the one that does the least enviormantal damage.
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At times I've had trouble finding any water softener, but have, on occasion, found Brand X instead of Calgon. I've read where it's harder to find in areas where their water is already soft. I also haven't always found powdered and have used liquid.
With the liquid we use 2 capsful.
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I'm not sure fabric softener does anything for your tanks, maybe softens the toilet paper. The benefits you smell from the fabric softener is just the perfumes in it. Calgon powder water softener is hard to find, I look in the laundry products section of most every store I go in. Found some in an Idaho/Washington area Walmart in June and bought a couple of boxes. I have used Calgon liquid WS, but prefer powder when I find it. Amazon has it (Calgon Water Softener powder) and if you buy over $24.99 worth, free shipping.

Bleach will kill bacteria in your tank, ending the break down of solids. You want bacteria in your tank, they break down and process waste. Bleach will temporarily deodorize, but then so does active bacterial action. Undiluted bleach in a trap or in contact to some plastics can cause damage, that's why directions using bleach to purify water tanks always says to dilute BEFORE putting into water tank.

I don't do the GEO method every tank, just about every 5-8 tank cycles. Every time seems a bit anal to me.
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OH, and for those of you that don't know what The GEO method is:

https://sites.google.com/site/cbruni/
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I fine tuned the Geo method also, to straight water! No Fuss, No Mess, No Stink! Ed
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I see Calgon bath beads etc everywhere, but have yet to find Calgon water SOFTENER. I will persevere......... unless it's the same thing? sigh
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I see Calgon bath beads etc everywhere, but have yet to find Calgon water SOFTENER. I will persevere......... unless it's the same thing? sigh
No, its not the same thing. Amazon search 'Calgon Water Softener powder'

Amazon.com: Calgon Water Softener Powder, 40-Ounce (Pack of 2): Health & Personal Care
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GEO means Get Everything Out.....
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I fine tuned the Geo method also, to straight water! No Fuss, No Mess, No Stink! Ed
If that was the ONLY thing going into the tank, it truly would be no stink!
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Jackson Rancheria Waste System

So - we are at Jackson Rancheria RV Park (part of the Casino, in Jackson California). Gorgeous ! If you have a chance to be go reserve space 57 - we were lucky to get it - they say and I believe - it's the best space. No neighbors on one side and a wonderful view. But I digress before I even get started.

This is the place I mentioned that dumps everyone upon arrival (the tanks not the people). I questioned / interviewed / grilled the man doing it and found that the whole Casino uses a method called Sequential (or sequencing) batch reactors - SBR.
Sequencing batch reactor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia it

All of the water from the RV Park and Casino, including the site dumps are run the the system and then they use that water directly on their grounds for watering. All of the tanks that are filled with the incoming RV dumps are sent out to the regular municipal systems, that do whatever towns usually do. I am not technically sure of the difference in systems, but it does make the Casino self sufficient for their grounds' water, and makes sure they have the best (supposedly) environmentally clean water.

The man I talked to said all tank deordizing methods including GEO kills the good bacteria as well as the bad bacteria, and they want the good bacteria in their grounds watering system.

They give you a bottle of a product called ASAS Tysol Toilet Conentrate - "Enviro-Flush TY-4060". I haven't googled that yet, will do that next.

All very interesting to me. I guess I do deserve the name "poop princess" that my husband calls me.
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