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Old 12-26-2010, 05:26 PM   #29
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There are plenty of evil people out there in all countries.
Every time a government tries to strip law abiding people of their ability to defend themselves, they increase your right to be a victim...
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Old 12-26-2010, 09:12 PM   #30
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I love these gun topics,if what i'm going to post offends i'll appologise up front. I live in a suburb near Windsor Ontario Canada wich is directly across from DE-Troit Michigan and in my fifty years living here and interacting with Americans [i was a bouncer in a popular downtown Windsor bar for eight years and saw the worst example of American visitors]now don't get me wrong,i love the USA and have may american friends and southern US hospitalty is without a doubt the most underrated thing on the planet but your gunlust and paranoia never ceases to amaze me. I've been in the slums of Detroit at all hours and frankly never felt the need for any more protection than my dukes. as we all know the dirtbags and parasites in both our countries are exchanging pot for handguns wich are now finding their way into the hands of kids here and with the combination of today's media and music/drug culture things are getting out of hand and i thank god for our VERY strict handgun laws that keep this crap on a dull roar! In closing i would like to know if anyone out there has ever needed to use a gun to protect themselves RV'ing in the USA or Canada,i only met one guy who's rig was stolen at gunpoint in mexico,if some loser pointed a gun at me i'd tell to help himself and to make sure i never saw my rig again and call the good hands people and shop for a new rig!!

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I and others can respect your opinion on carrying a weapon (handgun)---so I would hope you would also respect our opinion.

I carry whenever we travel and hope that I never have the situation to use that handgun, but I do like being prepared. But it always happens to someone else---right???

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Hunting rifles, shotguns and archery equipment may be taken into Canada by obtaining permits. These may be obtained at border crossings or online. Handguns are totally illegal.That sir is incorrect. Open the link in my first reply and read it. Tasers and bearspray type devices are also illegal.
As of February 2010 it is legal to have firesrms in US National Parks but illegal to discharge one.
Keeping up with rapidly changing state laws can quite a task. In Arizona for example there in no need for a ccw, anyone without a felony conviction may legaly carry a handgun.
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In closing i would like to know if anyone out there has ever needed to use a gun to protect themselves RV'ing in the USA or Canada
My mom and dad for many years routinely RV camped on public lands and in remote wilderness areas - TWICE in their Arizona camping adventures, there were threats by those who were from all intelligent and sane observations, out to do my parents harm, or victimize them in some intended manner. In both cases, my dad proceeded to get the 12 gauge shotgun he carried, and made it clearly visible to those judged to be a threat - and they LEFT rapidly!

My parents were in remote areas with absolutely NO others, LEO's or otherwise, to provide help or protection, either they provided their own protection - or else potentially submit and accept whatever abuse a carload of Hispanics might have in mind. Can I or my father PROVE their was potential harm or criminal intent? No, the clear evidence they were armed and prepared to protect themselves fully short-circuited the need or possibility of "proof"...

A weapons single greatest asset is to DISCOURAGE those who would victimize others, with RARELY any need for the weapon to actually be used - it's PRESENCE is usually it's greatest asset, and usually all that is needed to discourage abusers!

NOW, these 3rd party examples probably will not change the minds of the dedicated gun haters - but they ARE enough to convince me to be armed when out in OUR remote wilderness RV camping - and yes, I have an Oregon State CC permit, and obviously have had the training to NOT run around in a CG with an AK-47 shooting wildly at any suspected "threats" to the safety of me or my family!

And more to the point, 1 couple my folks knew well were murdered in their RV by robbers - and another couple were beaten and robbed in their RV - but the robbers were safe - the RVers were unarmed and defenseless...

NOW, let's turn the question around - have any here heard of innocent bystander campers being shot by some frantic and hysterical camper who was, or THOUGHT he was being attacked or robbed?

I didn't think so...
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Actually,,,at a park in Ontario a vistior to Canada was arrested for brandishing a loaded 44 magnum at a waterpark/family campground,this idiot was as loaded as his handgun and was quickly subdued by an off-duty OPP[without his sidearm] and tossed in a cell,after answering several charges he was asked to leave our country,several years ago while working as a bouncer a middle eastern gentlman from Dearborn Michigan came into the bar on a very crowded saturday night with a automatic handgun with the intention of shooting his cheating wife but when the gun fell out of his coat pocket the off duty windsor policeman [again without his side arm] subdued him,,,harshly and was put in stir. Recently handgun crimes have become more frequent to the point where the boy's in Ottawa are beefing up our gun laws and were finding that most of these weapons are coming from the USA,these are facts that i've gotten from the son of a friend who's a constable with the Ontario Provencial Police so i'm inclined to accept them as true. I understand the American attitude towards their right to bear arms and why its so important to you however nobody as yet has shown me that to RV in the States and Canada i would need a handgun for protection,i've travelled quite a bit in the us and never have i felt threatened as a matter of fact i find you yanks to be very gracious hosts and i'm looking forward to spending my winters there soon,remember its a jungle out there!

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You are correct, there are exceptions. I do believe in the context of personal defense weapons I am correct. As for the book on 50 state laws it was already outdated before it went to press. Don't waste your money.
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What good is an unloaded gun, I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.

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Same here. I just keep a gun in case someone wants to rob me and they forgot to bring theirs
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For a nation made up of misfits and malcontents from other countries, I think we have done remarkably well at getting along. As for an armed citizenry, I'm pretty sure the British didn't care for it. We ran them out of here and saved their bacon in WWII. Yes, we are armed and comfortable in that role and are willing and able to defend our rights and interests and will help anyone else if the need arises. It's like haveing crazy ol' uncle Jethro. He's a giggle to talk about but if your in a jam he will be the first one there to whip their arse.
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It is legal to carry in AZ and we do The old west still lives here.
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No matter where I am traveling in the great contiguous United States of America (Home of the Free, remember?), my MH is insured by Smith & Wesson and Colt, some of my favorites! Yeah, I carry more than one handgun, strategically located for quick access.... And plenty of ammo. What can I say, I'm an infantry vet, and my own country has gotten pretty spooky! They can never take away your rights, unless you let it happen.
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I would only hope that the crime being committed warrents the use of deadly force before pulling the trigger on a criminal. Misdemeaner theft of an outside barbeque does not call for use of a firearm. If you feel in danger of you or your loved ones life or limb, thats a different situation, I would hope that the victim of the crime has the knowledge and wisdom to distinguish between the two. I do not carry a concealed weapon, I do support second ammendment rights, I do have a weapon in both my home, and our motorhome. I have never been in a situation in all my 72 years that called for the use of a firearm to defend myself, and hope that a situation like that never arises.

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No matter where I am traveling in the great contiguous United States of America (Home of the Free, remember?), my MH is insured by Smith & Wesson and Colt, some of my favorites! Yeah, I carry more than one handgun, strategically located for quick access.... And plenty of ammo. What can I say, I'm an infantry vet, and my own country has gotten pretty spooky! They can never take away your rights, unless you let it happen.
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I would only hope that the crime being committed warrents the use of deadly force before pulling the trigger on a criminal. Misdemeaner theft of an outside barbeque does not call for use of a firearm. If you feel in danger of you or your loved ones life or limb, thats a different situation

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Absolutely, DC, I do not mean to be (or sound) overly-casual about this. It would have to be a life threatening incident for me to grab the handgun. But I know what it feels like to be there, and I am a poor choice for the hardened criminal to try to victimize. I'm just saying that we all need to, in my humble opinion, take a major responsibility for our own welfare.

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