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Old 07-21-2014, 07:46 PM   #71
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Hate to disagree with you but wrenching for 30 years metric and fractional are not interchangeable! I've had to fix rounded off bolts and nuts that backyard mechanics have ruined by thinking they are interchangeable. Just off dimention to round bolt heads.

I didn't say all sizes were interchangeable, only the sizes I listed. The dimensions do not vary enough to round off a bolt head. I suspect that the rounded off bolts and nuts that you have repaired were caused by inept use of adjustable end wrenches, channeloks or visegrip pliars in the hands of a backyard mechanic. I ran into a few of those myself back in my working days.
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It also helps if you use a 6 point box end or socket instead of a 12 point.
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Old 07-22-2014, 05:43 PM   #73
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Is it really a bargain?

Everyone chooses how they spend their money, but to me, quality wrenches, bottle jacks, and other tools are a better value than HF. Do you really want to risk your life using a cheap 12 ton bottle jack? Quality ones can be found for under 50.00. What would the cost be if your HF jack failed and dropped your vehicle? Maybe on your arm? Do you carry a spare jack to replace that one? Same with tools. If you carry cheap ones and they fail when you're trying to fix something miles from nowhere you're really in a fix. Does the poor fit round off the bolts, resulting in a costly repair? Is That bargain tool still a bargain? I'll take quality tools that won't fail on the road. I may have a few cheap ones, but they're at home where I have several quality replacements if needed. If I need to grind a tool for a specific one- time use I may use HF, but that's about all they're good for.
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The point is that the "Quality ones can be found for under 50.00" are the same one HF sells with a different label and maybe different paint.

+ whatever on not using the wrong wrench sizes. Particularly on the small stuff. The difference between metric and SAE is enough to exceed tolerances and be a problem when combined with the built in slight oversize required to be able to put the wrench on the nut. Given the cost of a set of Chinese wrenches from HF there is little excuse not to use the right size.
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Everyone chooses how they spend their money, but to me, quality wrenches, bottle jacks, and other tools are a better value than HF. Do you really want to risk your life using a cheap 12 ton bottle jack? Quality ones can be found for under 50.00. What would the cost be if your HF jack failed and dropped your vehicle? Maybe on your arm? Do you carry a spare jack to replace that one? Same with tools. If you carry cheap ones and they fail when you're trying to fix something miles from nowhere you're really in a fix. Does the poor fit round off the bolts, resulting in a costly repair? Is That bargain tool still a bargain? I'll take quality tools that won't fail on the road. I may have a few cheap ones, but they're at home where I have several quality replacements if needed. If I need to grind a tool for a specific one- time use I may use HF, but that's about all they're good for.
Rest assured if I use any jack, there would be jack stands sufficient, to hold the weight the jack was holding before I would be under any vehicle. For me my MH Jack will not hold, so until I can get it replaced a HF 12 ton jack will work just fine. When the bad one gets replaced, the bottle jack will probably, spend the rest of my life somewhere in a cabinet in my garage .
PS--- I doubt that any of us buying HF items believe we are buying quality.
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