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Old 05-26-2014, 08:38 PM   #1
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For past year I have noticed the growing trend of campgrounds allowing year round permanent residents in old travel trailers, old motor homes, etc. Am I being insensitive or politically incorrect in saying it bothers me. Some are very junky, and I do understand some are down on there luck, but why does park owners allow this. It is driving many patrons away. I just attended a FMCA chapter rally and was parked between 2 permanent residents, one a family of 3 adults and 4 young children living in a 20 foot 70's Terry travel trailer and a 80's class C Shasta motor home with 2 adults and several kids, dogs etc. The motor home was up on blocks wth tires stacked next to it and laundry hung out to dry. This was a 4 star Woodall rated campground and about 1/2 of the sites were permanent residents. The club will not return due to situation.
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I once asked a park owner this question and he said the permanent residents paid the park bills and the others were his profit. I agree that the permanents make the park less attractive for me
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Probably to keep $ coming in. I know of a few private campgrounds in our area that prefer the seasonal residents as it is garanteed income. Many campground owners probably sweet filling sites every weekend due to weather conditions as well. Just a thought.
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In our last three years worth of travels, especially in the western U.S., we've found many, many nice campgrounds and RV parks also beginning to replace seasonal with "full timers". Now, "full timers" can mean anything. Full timers as in nice, well kept coaches and courteous owners, are one thing but, "full timers" as in what the OP describes, is totally different. We've traveled into RV parks and campground with those types of full timers and, never even stopped.

We just kept on going to the next one and usually found nicer parks. It wasn't always easy to find parks without the "full timers" of the OPs description but, occasionally we did. I too understand the economy, and its effects on hundreds if not thousands and thousands of families across the U.S. Sometimes packing up the trailer or, old motor home and try and find a place that will accept you, and your kids. But, does that mean you have to turn into slobs and make your place less attractive?
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Could be oil or gas driven. We have lots of oil field and pipeline work going on here in OK, and its amost impossible to find an open rv park around the tulsa area. We are trying to get a seasonal site, but nothings available and the cg's are actually adding more spaces.
I know some of our oil field company's have been sending guys and equipment out to the virgina's because of all the drilling. Maybe Thats why? It an idea....maybe?
I've heard the rv business in general took a big hit from the '08 recession, so the cgs could be just taking whatever business came their way. Once the demand picks up, I bet they will start being a little more picky.
And yes I hate seeing unkempt rvs and lots at a park. You can have an older unit and still have it very "kept up"- in my opinion.
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Could be oil or gas driven. We have lots of oil field and pipeline work going on here in OK, and its amost impossible to find an open rv park around the tulsa area. We are trying to get a seasonal site, but nothings available and the cg's are actually adding more spaces.
I know some of our oil field company's have been sending guys and equipment out to the virgina's because of all the drilling. Maybe Thats why? It an idea....maybe?
I've heard the rv business in general took a big hit from the '08 recession, so the cgs could be just taking whatever business came their way. Once the demand picks up, I bet they will start being a little more picky.
And yes I hate seeing unkempt rvs and lots at a park. You can have an older unit and still have it very "kept up"- in my opinion.
There are more than agricultural type migrant workers. Had many boiler makers & welders in a local park when a large semiconductor plant was being built, and they stayed on for a couple of government projects afterwards. Then there's the big increase in foreclosures a bit ago. Wouldn't be surprised if a few of those families were ones that would rather live in their TT than a shelter.
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We've been to a few places including a highly rated KOA that had full-timers in the rear section of the park, and the front end was mostly overniters and newer units...sign of the times.
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What's ironic is that there are a lot of people who complain about seeing the "Grapes of Wrath" RVs in the campgrounds, and then complain even louder when a campground management tries to alleviate the issue with a 10-year rule on RVs - you can't have it both ways: either the campground restricts the RVs that are allowed entry, or you put up with the Clampetts as next-door neighbors...
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Frankly, I revel in the diversity we have experienced in our travels. We once had that 15-20 year old gasser with the faded gel coat, so we are sensitive to those that deny service because of age (sounds like a civil rights case!). Though I am not into the "no wheels and up on blocks" style of rv'ing, as long as they don't mess with me, I am good with it. And if there is a purple peace sign painted on the side, even better!
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With a very few exceptions, you will not see this in state and federal campgrounds.

Most have a two week stay limit that eliminates this "problem."

Also, it is up to the owner of the private park. We stay in a park that has full timers, but rules are enforced and you can never tell by looking who is there year round, who is there monthly, and who is there overnight. The owners make all the difference.
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I find this to be a big difference between "RV Parks" and "Campgrounds". It's easy enough to read the rules of the campground/park and find those with stay limits.
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I found this at several passport America parks. 5 out of 6 were like this. This is just the sign of the times. We had no problems or issues while we were at these parks. This is just a matter of what you feel your camping experience should be.

As previous posters have said, use State or Federal, or even County Campgrounds, and some careful screening of private CGs. Don't expect to pay state park prices at the ones you find more to your taste though.
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