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Old 10-16-2012, 11:03 PM   #1
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Would you consider 93,000 miles on a DP high on a 2002 Monaco Windsor 40'. Should I be scared of a purchase with this many miles? The coach looks really well looked after.
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Would you consider 93,000 miles on a DP high on a 2002 Monaco Windsor 40'. Should I be scared of a purchase with this many miles? The coach looks really well looked after.
Normally, if it has been taken care of and operated properly, it's just getting broke in. But if it hasn't, $$$$$.
Take an engine oil sample and send it off for analysis. Do the coolant too, the tranny, the gen, the rear diff.
Or pays your $ and take your chances.
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Old 10-17-2012, 05:47 AM   #3
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As with anything. It's only as good as the care and maintenance it's received.
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As with anything. It's only as good as the care and maintenance it's received.
That is a key point. I would have the MH gone over completely by RV techs and Diesel mechanics to be sure that it had been cared for. I was in the Marine industry for many years and sellers would frequently do a " fluff and buff" on a poorly maintained vessel that fooled many buyers.

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If the coach has had regular maintenance and cared for, 93000 miles is nothing for a diesel. If there are service records, I would not have a problem. No records...I'd have to look at it really hard.

In any case, have a good diesel shop inspect the chassis, enginer and tranny.

Plan to change all of the fluids and filters if there is no service records.

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Yup, agreed. If there are records indicating proper maintenance and it passes a competently performed chassis inspection (impossible to have done at an RV dealer), I'd go for it.
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As stated above, I would only consider it if it had complete service records from day one. There are many great units for sale at good prices, so why gamble. Good luck.
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I have known people to keep their Rv in one location and live in it 24/7 with almost zero miles. Does that mean it is in fantastic shape? All the seals in the stool may be worn out and the paint may be sunbleached beyond repair. Low milage or high does not tell a complete story. A VW is always a VW and a Caddy as well but either one of them may be totaly shot depending on how it was used and maintained. The VW may actually be the best buy!
I have owned many diesels and it is seldom the diesel that sends it to the shop. It's usually the air conditioner, or the slide, or,or, etc.
You may easily get 500,000 miles of service from the engine before major repairs are needed but the tires, may need replaced, the refrigerator may be shot, the windshield may have major leaks.
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Les that's only an average of 9,300 miles per year which is low to medium for a DP. Normal oil change interval is 1 year or 15,000 miles. With good records and inspection I would not be concerned. As Larry B points out it is the "house" part that could be a problem. What are the maintenance records like on the house part. At ten years it probably needs new tires (its 3rd set of you go by the 5 year replacement cycle). Has the water heater been cleaned every year. Have the air conditioners been cleaned every year (you wouldn't believe the crud that will come out of those even if you regularly change/clean the filters). How old are the batteries? How many hours are on the generator and is there a record of it being serviced. At ten years it should have a minimum of 240 hours (minimum 2 hours a month, under at least 1/2 load, for 120 months). What kind of refrigerator? If it's electric/propane (Norcold or Dometic) it's probably seen its best days, if it ever had any, and close to needing replacing (or at least the cooling unit). If it's been properly maintained it can give you years of trouble free service. The quality of some of the older units is better than some of the more recently built one. Bottom line, you pays your money, you takes your chances. But that true even with a new one.
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Les that's only an average of 9,300 miles per year which is low to medium for a DP. Normal oil change interval is 1 year or 15,000 miles. With good records and inspection I would not be concerned. As Larry B points out it is the "house" part that could be a problem. What are the maintenance records like on the house part. At ten years it probably needs new tires (its 3rd set of you go by the 5 year replacement cycle). Has the water heater been cleaned every year. Have the air conditioners been cleaned every year (you wouldn't believe the crud that will come out of those even if you regularly change/clean the filters). How old are the batteries? How many hours are on the generator and is there a record of it being serviced. At ten years it should have a minimum of 240 hours (minimum 2 hours a month, under at least 1/2 load, for 120 months). What kind of refrigerator? If it's electric/propane (Norcold or Dometic) it's probably seen its best days, if it ever had any, and close to needing replacing (or at least the cooling unit). If it's been properly maintained it can give you years of trouble free service. The quality of some of the older units is better than some of the more recently built one. Bottom line, you pays your money, you takes your chances. But that true even with a new one.
That'll be difficult. It's a repo I believe. Tires are 2011. Everything looks well cared for. Hardly a mark on the exterior. 1450 hours on the generator. Interior looks good.
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Would you consider 93,000 miles on a DP high on a 2002 Monaco Windsor 40'. Should I be scared of a purchase with this many miles? The coach looks really well looked after.
Hi Les, RV people seem to think 50,000 is hi mileage. I am an old trucker. I sold my 1984 Peterbilt Nov, 2009 with 3,145,000 miles. It is curently on the road every day with 3,350,000 miles. I am also an ex car salesman. I would be working hard for a good price since many buyers would be turned off by the miles and our ecconomy is not the best. Use this to your advantage. I think others that answered your quote gave you some good advise. Oil , all lube and antifreeze samples would be smart. if samples are good the miles would not bother me on the chassis, but you still have the house to be checked out. good wishes, old trucker.
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That'll be difficult. It's a repo I believe. Tires are 2011. Everything looks well cared for. Hardly a mark on the exterior. 1450 hours on the generator. Interior looks good.


If there's no records available the coach should be priced accordingly. If it passes inspections on chassis and coach, based on your observations and assuming a decent price, I'd still go for it. BUT, I'd be financially prepared to bring the COMPLETE coach up to snuff regarding scheduled maintenance? Oil, antifreeze, trans fluid, a COMPLETE set of filters, belts, wiper blades, etc. It's the only way you can move forward with your own maintenance program. Then, there's unscheduled maintenance, like how full of crud the radiator is? What kind of condition the sealant used on the roof and windows is in, etc?
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The diesel engine won't need a rebuild for another 400k miles, assuming it has had routine maintenance. But other things wear out well before that, e.g. fuel lift pumps, alternators, front suspension and steering, etc. The advice about getting fluid analysis is an excellent, as is the advice for a checkout at a good diesel chassis shop.

I have 1889 hours on my Onan 7500 diesel generator and it still runs fine. It has needed a couple repairs of electronic components over that time, but it nowhere near "worn out".

As far as everything else, it is what it is and the condition should speak for itself. Inspect and make sure that all appliances and systems work and make an offer commensurate with what you find.
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Les I would see if they would let you take it to a truck shop for an inspection. A shop that does the DOT inspections will check all steering, brakes,driveline and other important stuff. I would check out all the coach stuff myself making sure everything works as it should. When I bought my coach I did my own inspection,(years of truck maintainence) but still took it to a shop and they checked alot of those things and serviced it for me as well. I wouldn't be afraid of the mileage on that coach. My 2001 had 50,000 and I had to replace some seals in the trans. and rear end because they dried out from it sitting too much. Good luck.
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