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Old 01-01-2015, 12:58 AM   #43
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You could use off road diesel depending on availability, but if an accident should occur, and your tank is dipped, your price of diesel just went up.
States have been known (and still are) to stop RV'ers and check their tanks without there having been an accident. They have the right to do that and the fine is large.
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With the new diesel engines having far worse fuel economy than the older ones, and now with diesel vs gas spread increasing, the gas argument is starting to gain some traction.
The new diesels with DEF injection are getting quite a bit better mileage, not lower.
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Old 01-01-2015, 01:08 AM   #45
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Understand that I do not have big funding but diesel is still my choice. Gasoline may well be cheaper but diesel does not have the tendency to flame or explode if it leaks. I have yet to see an exhaust brake on a gas engine.
Gas engines don't need a Jake or exhaust brake as the engine design provides the necessary holdback.
True, gas is more flammable or explosive, but so is propane and I haven't had any trouble with a propane system.
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Old 01-01-2015, 09:12 AM   #46
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I think that it all comes down to floor plan, floor plan, floor plan. I am 32 just sold my gas MH and it took me everywhere the family wanted to go, maybe a little slower than a DP but that is ok I travel mostly at 62-65 and up the mountains around 40-43 mph. I sold my MH due to health reasons and hope to buy a new one this year and this debate has come up with me and the wife. She wants bunk beds (3kids), I want a DP with 2 couches, booth dinette, and a 5k tow rating. When we look at used MHs in our price range we can get either but the gas will be 3-5 years newer than the diesel. I know that diesels ride better, have better torque, and are build more heavy duty, but as DW says this will not be our forever MH. So in the end on gas vs diesel for me it comes down to our budget and floor plan. There are bunk model diesels out there but not with in my families means and DW and I will not over extend out selfs. Like I said I am only 32 yet and hopefully still have some time left in me (60 years or so).
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We live in farm country and I can tell you that just about anybody with a farm tank is running it in their daily drivers and motorhomes. Never heard of anybody getting their tank stuck by the local fuel police.
My daughter did get her tank stuck. The Minnesota DOT was stopping every diesel powered highway vehicle on the road where they were looking for red fuel. For what the potential fine would be I am not going to run red in mine. Fines here are $10 per gallon OR $1000 whichever is greater.
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If you are going to buy a new car you buy a escort or Lincoln they both do the same thing co down the road I would buy what I felt like I could afford I know which is better and what I would prefer
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Before comparing a new gasser to a used diesel you have to consider more than price point. Just for sake of argument if you pay $70,000 for a new gasser you have to consider the build quality of what you are buying.
You can pick up a used DP for the same money and the build quality will be much better. Alot of them will have low mileage to boot and the original owner probably paid well in excess of $150,000.

I have seen so many threads on here about people buying gasser's and then asking questions on adding handling fixes because they are horrible to drive out in the wind.

I have seen alot of issues come up with the build quality on new gasser's as of late as well.
For me it was a no brainer to buy a used DP. You just have to do your research and make an informed decision as to what suits you the best.
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Gas engines don't need a Jake or exhaust brake as the engine design provides the necessary holdback.
True, gas is more flammable or explosive, but so is propane and I haven't had any trouble with a propane system.
Our DP uses no propane. The stove top is induction and the heating is done with a Aqua Hot system that uses elect/diesel. Other than initial cost I see no advantage to a gasser over a diesel. We are full timers with a 45' rig so gas was never in the cards.
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"Before comparing a new gasser to a used diesel you have to consider more than price point."

True, but if buying new, price point is critical. It can mean the difference between getting into a new RV or not getting into a new RV. It is the availability of loans for working people that is critical, despite the depn and loan interest costs and learning the rv ropes. Also, there is a big difference between full timers and vacationers.

"Just for sake of argument if you pay $70,000 for a new gasser you have to consider the build quality of what you are buying.You can pick up a used DP for the same money and the build quality will be much better. "

First off, as to price if you want a quality gasser, try closer to $130,000 Tiffin or Newmar.

As to quality, don't think that is true. It probably was true many years ago. If you look, for example, at a Newmar Canyon Star, you are getting a diesel quality home on a gas chassis and the newer F-53 is not now just a truck chassis, but a full blown super duty class A rv chassis and suspension with a very effective V10. If there is any argument, it is right about 39 feet with mixed reviews from gas owners as that is running close to the limits of the gas weight range.

"A lot of them will have low mileage to boot and the original owner probably paid well in excess of $150,000."

Sounds to me that you are making a good argument for a gas model. By saving around $70K or more, that might allow people to get their rv into use a bit more as that will buy a lot of gas, insurance, camp fees, etc.

"I have seen so many threads on here about people buying gasser's and then asking questions on adding handling fixes because they are horrible to drive out in the wind."

Well, but the point is there are upgrades that allow people to improve their gas suspensions, if personally desired, just as there are upgrades to improve the diesel suspensions (but that is kind of ignored for some reason). But if you look at recent F-53 brochure, you will realize the suspension gap between gas and diesel has shrunk considerably and if you haven't driven a new gas, maybe it would be a good idea to take one for a test drive to update your gas experiences.

"I have seen alot of issues come up with the build quality on new gasser's as of late as well."

Yeah and also with the build quality controls on diesels. There is a general industry quality control problem across the board.

I think there is a place for gas and a place for diesel that really has to do with need and use. I don't think one can effectively argue dp vs gas using cost or quality comparisons. I do think the argument really hinges on length and weight. Just doesn't make sense to put gas into a 45 ft rv.
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Good point but everybody doesn't need to pull 10-15K worth of toys. We MAY end up with a DP just because of the gassers low towing capacity. We must have our golf cart and a small car to get around in the some places. But again it comes down to budget. A lot of us are workin' Joes and don't come from Dual 6 figure income homes. Hence the lower price point gas MH's. For some just like gas vs Diesel trucks it could mean the difference between getting a MH and just staying home.

One could argue that if one is on a budget they could buy an older DP. For a lot of folks me included it's hard to pay the same money for a 5-10 yr old DP when you could buy a new gasser with one of those awesome new floor plans.
Also you could be taking on someone elses problems with an older diesel.

Im just trying to expose some of y'all to the fact that everyone can't afford a DP. They make the gassers for a reason and people buy them and enjoy them. And for the majority the gasser will most likely be good enough given the price point.
IMO this is a valid point but the issue goes even farther.

Even folks who can "afford" the higher priced units may decide to limit what they spend when pruchasing discretionary items. An RV's are discretionary. Very few people other than migratory workers "need" an RV.

We all purchase what we feel comfortable with and what we feel will give us the best return in enjoyment for our dollar. I believe the family with the 'entry level' RV will enjoy themselves as much (or probably more) than the old geezers who purchase the high end coaches.

Does'nt matter what you spend or what rig you purchase . . . . get out there and start making memories.
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First I just have to say how impressive it is that after 4pages, the topic hasn't turned into the typical personal insults that seem to be too common these days.
For us, we sold a mid sized gasser we didn't use much and wanted to see, with the right coach, if we traveled more.
So the idea buying this one was I did not want the coach to be any factor in if we enjoyed it or not. Don't buy a kid a plastic mitt to see if they like baseball kind of thing.
I wanted big, so space wasn't an issue.
I wanted it to drive well so the 4-5 hours a day on the road was pleasurable.
And I didn't want to be underpowered if we are towing.
I also didn't want to take a hit on depreciation in the event we just didn't like it.
So that why we bought a older, used diesel.
So far we love it. Can't wait for the next journey.
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We live in farm country and I can tell you that just about anybody with a farm tank is running it in their daily drivers and motorhomes. Never heard of anybody getting their tank stuck by the local fuel police.
We live in farm country also. However every summer we see the state weights and measures division of the DOT set up test stations on state highways. Everything that runs on diesel is pulled over and tested. I don't know what the fines are, but I've seen tickets getting written every day they're out there.
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I don't know why people get so defensive about their choices of RV. Buy what you like and can afford (or are willing to spend), then enjoy it and don't worry about what other people think about how YOU spend YOUR money. A diesel will get the job done as will a gasser.

We are vacation RVers and our Bounder GASSER sits in storage 11 months of the year, with an initial price tag well over $100k. Most non-RVers would think that is an absurd waste of money...and I'll readily agree that it is.

So we paid the initial cost of the RV, plus on-going insurance, maintenance and storage fees for an occasional vacation. Why on earth would we increase ALL of those expenses, plus need to upgrade our drivers licenses to own a diesel? Answer: We would not.

The gasser carries what we need and tows what we need. No regrets here, except for that stupid VacuFlush toilet that is available on both gas and diesel RVs. If we ever shop for a new RV, the type of toilet will be of more interest to me than the powertrain.
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I am happy with my choice of a gasser. Sure I would like the newer 362 hp V-10, but I get by with the 310 hp in mine. Towed my Jeep 8,000 miles out west last summer and passed most trucks going up the mountains. My friends have a Allegro Bus and have had major engine problems, and they bought that after their previous DP had engine problems. And diesel engine problems aren't cheap. Nor is the normal maintenance. If money were no object I would probably opt for a nice DP though.
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