Go Back   iRV2 Forums > iRV2.com COMMUNITY FORUMS > iRV2.com General Discussion
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 03-28-2013, 08:35 PM   #1
Member
 
JAMMFAM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 41
Hold on to your socks!

Just heard on Mark Levine that the EPA is getting ready to impose new restrictions on refineries, to reduce sulfur in motor fuels by 2/3rds by the year 2017. If you thought $4.xx was high for fuel hold on to your socks! This will involve an immediate expense of about $12 billion to retrofit refineries and and additional $2.5 billion per year for the new fuel standards
__________________

__________________
2008 Chevy Silverado 1500 5.3/ 3.73 2011 JayFeather Select 29L Husky Centerline WDH w/ active anti-sway
JAMMFAM is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 03-29-2013, 02:32 PM   #2
Community Administrator
 
Route 66's Avatar


 
Newmar Owners Club
Retired Fire Service RVer's
Spartan Chassis
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Newark, DE
Posts: 25,621
This topic can be discussed only if it's regarding RV fuel prices as our rules specify.

Thanks.

Quote:
General discussions of politics, general government policies, weaponry, gun rights and religion are not allowed in ANY areas of iRV2. Discussions about current or pending legislation or regulations, weapons and religion that directly pertain to RVing are acceptable but will be closed or removed if they wander off topic or become disruptive.
__________________

__________________
Adios, Dirk - '84 Real Lite Truck Camper, '86 Wilderness Cimarron TT, previously 4 years as a fulltimer in a '07 DSDP

Route 66 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 02:43 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
Gadget63's Avatar


 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Fair Play, SC
Posts: 986
Send a message via AIM to Gadget63 Send a message via Yahoo to Gadget63
I got the impression that's what he was implying
__________________
Richie, Rose and our Australian Terrier Harley
2004 Bounder 35R, 2012 ACME EZtow,2012 Kia Rio Hatchback
Gadget63 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 02:48 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
Francesca's Avatar
 
Vintage RV Owners Club
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Port Hadlock, Washington
Posts: 2,855
Since oil companies raise gas prices at any excuse at all, it'll be hard to quantify what if any effect such regs will have on direct fuel-related costs.

There may in fact be a savings to the driving public if as the auto industry maintains, lower maintenance/increased efficiency of engine components will result from lower sulfur fuel.

Here quoting from: The Detroit News

Quote:
The two major auto lobbying arms — the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents Detroit's Big Three automakers, Toyota Motor Corp., Volkswagen AG and others, and the Association of Global Automakers, which represents major Asian and other automakers — support the regulations.

In a March 22 meeting with the White House, the automakers said finalizing the rules will help drivers.

"Reducing sulfur yields immediate and future public benefits," they said in a presentation. "Ultra-low sulfur gasoline is already available; costs to implement nationwide are overstated."

Gasoline sulfur by-products of combustion reduce effectiveness of catalytic converters, resulting in increased tailpipe emissions, automakers said.

The new rules will boost the durability of catalytic converters to 125,000 to 150,000 miles, they said.

Automakers will spend about $200 billion between now and 2025 to double fuel efficiency to a fleetwide average of 54.5 mpg.

__________________
Francesca is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 03:02 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
CampDaven's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Fulltime, USA
Posts: 14,463
Blog Entries: 1
This is just humming a few bars from a very old tune.
I tend to perk up my ears, listen a bit, and toss the thought, as it aint worth pondering what you cannot control.
Roll up yer pant legs. Too late for the socks.
__________________
Dave and Nola, RVM1
The Journey is Our Destination!

http://davenola.blogspot.com/
CampDaven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 03:09 PM   #6
Member
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Port Orange fl
Posts: 35
I just wonder how it will affect us folks with the 25 year old big block gassers. I suppose the fact that comparatively speaking, because old winnies don't cost much, and she only gets 9 mpg rolling down hill with a tail wind, we'll just have to grin and bare it.
__________________
perrybass is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 03:16 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
datrbone8's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 852
So maybe buying a DP was not such a bad idea after all
__________________
1998 Newmar Dutch Star, 3126B Cat/ Freightliner
2003 Honda Element
" Don't let the same dog bite you twice "
datrbone8 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 03:29 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
CampDaven's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Location: Fulltime, USA
Posts: 14,463
Blog Entries: 1
May as well grin, as we will bare it
__________________
Dave and Nola, RVM1
The Journey is Our Destination!

http://davenola.blogspot.com/
CampDaven is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 04:31 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Hooligan's Avatar
 
Freightliner Owners Club
Join Date: Apr 2002
Location: Pensacola
Posts: 2,209
Love Statistics::. Tier 2 regulations have already reduced sulfur in gasoline by 90% and were implemented as of 2010. New regs (tier 3) will reduce that remaining 10% of sulfur by 60%, and be implemented by 2017...
Seems like and expensive way to get a 6% reduction.

From AP article today-
"The head of American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Charles Drevna, said in an interview Thursday that the refiners' group was still unclear on the motives behind the agency's regulation, since refining companies already have spent $10 billion to reduce sulfur by 90 percent. The additional cuts, while smaller, will cost just as much, Drevna said, and the energy needed for the additional refining actually could increase carbon pollution by 1 percent to 2 percent."

No info so far on compatibility with older engines, effect on power or stability of the fuel...
__________________
Hooligan, Pensacola, Fl -U.S. Coast Guard 1956-1985
2016 Thor Siesta Sprinter 24ST diesel
Our Pug "Lily" & "George" the Newfoundland
Hooligan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 07:19 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Posts: 140
fuel

Grin and bare it is right as stated. We have no control over what Gov. and oil companies decide what we the consumer pays at the pump. In beautiful Canada we are paying $111.00/liter which is cheap compared to your prices. We are looking forward to going south this year and enjoying the US hospitality and experience. Love you guys!
__________________
Denlor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 07:50 PM   #11
Senior Member
 
Lindsay Richards's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Tavares, FL
Posts: 1,644
I personally don't think that fleet average of 54.5 mpg will ever happen. you can legislate it, but having it done is sure another thing. We are a very long way from it now. I just put $240 in my coach a couple of days ago and will have to fill up tomorrow. Going from 90% reduction to a 96% reductions isn't worth the additional dime a gallon to me. That's $7 per fill up. I think the air is cleaner now than it has been in 5 decades.
__________________
http://www.linandnancy.com
Lindsay Richards is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 10:53 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
Pricejh's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Dec 2011
Posts: 636
Sounds like Inverse Prado Theory.
__________________
John Price
2016 Denali 289RK w/a Hensley Arrow Hitch
2015 Dodge Ram 2500 Cummings
Pricejh is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-29-2013, 11:36 PM   #13
Senior Member
 
Arch Hoagland's Avatar
 
Monaco Owners Club
Workhorse Chassis Owner
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Clovis, CA, USA
Posts: 5,912
We're already on that fuel standard here in California. Today regular is $3.95 at the low priced stations.
We've got smog problems here so they do what they can to try to alleviate the problem.
We live in Fresno county and the large number of dairy farms here create a lot of smog from the gases that cows produce along with the truck and automobile exhaust.
__________________
2004 Monaco La Palma 36DBD, W22, 8.1, 7.1 MPG
2000 LEXUS RX300 FWD 22MPG 4020 LBS
Arch Hoagland is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-30-2013, 09:52 AM   #14
Moderator Emeritus
 
Gary RVRoamer's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Silver Springs, FL. USA
Posts: 18,096
Quote:
We live in Fresno county and the large number of dairy farms here create a lot of smog from the gases that cows produce
I'm surprised they don't have gas collection canisters fitted to the cows. Sort of a PCV valve - Positive Cow Ventilation.
__________________

__________________
Gary Brinck
Former owner of 2004 American Tradition
Home is in the Ocala Nat'l Forest near Ocala, FL
Summers in Black Mountain, NC
Gary RVRoamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 06:23 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.