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Old 03-28-2013, 07:35 PM   #1
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Hold on to your socks!

Just heard on Mark Levine that the EPA is getting ready to impose new restrictions on refineries, to reduce sulfur in motor fuels by 2/3rds by the year 2017. If you thought $4.xx was high for fuel hold on to your socks! This will involve an immediate expense of about $12 billion to retrofit refineries and and additional $2.5 billion per year for the new fuel standards

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Old 03-29-2013, 01:32 PM   #2
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I got the impression that's what he was implying
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Since oil companies raise gas prices at any excuse at all, it'll be hard to quantify what if any effect such regs will have on direct fuel-related costs.

There may in fact be a savings to the driving public if as the auto industry maintains, lower maintenance/increased efficiency of engine components will result from lower sulfur fuel.

Here quoting from: The Detroit News

The two major auto lobbying arms — the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers, which represents Detroit's Big Three automakers, Toyota Motor Corp., Volkswagen AG and others, and the Association of Global Automakers, which represents major Asian and other automakers — support the regulations.

In a March 22 meeting with the White House, the automakers said finalizing the rules will help drivers.

"Reducing sulfur yields immediate and future public benefits," they said in a presentation. "Ultra-low sulfur gasoline is already available; costs to implement nationwide are overstated."

Gasoline sulfur by-products of combustion reduce effectiveness of catalytic converters, resulting in increased tailpipe emissions, automakers said.

The new rules will boost the durability of catalytic converters to 125,000 to 150,000 miles, they said.

Automakers will spend about $200 billion between now and 2025 to double fuel efficiency to a fleetwide average of 54.5 mpg.

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This is just humming a few bars from a very old tune.
I tend to perk up my ears, listen a bit, and toss the thought, as it aint worth pondering what you cannot control.
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I just wonder how it will affect us folks with the 25 year old big block gassers. I suppose the fact that comparatively speaking, because old winnies don't cost much, and she only gets 9 mpg rolling down hill with a tail wind, we'll just have to grin and bare it.
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So maybe buying a DP was not such a bad idea after all
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Love Statistics::. Tier 2 regulations have already reduced sulfur in gasoline by 90% and were implemented as of 2010. New regs (tier 3) will reduce that remaining 10% of sulfur by 60%, and be implemented by 2017...
Seems like and expensive way to get a 6% reduction.

From AP article today-
"The head of American Fuel and Petrochemical Manufacturers, Charles Drevna, said in an interview Thursday that the refiners' group was still unclear on the motives behind the agency's regulation, since refining companies already have spent $10 billion to reduce sulfur by 90 percent. The additional cuts, while smaller, will cost just as much, Drevna said, and the energy needed for the additional refining actually could increase carbon pollution by 1 percent to 2 percent."

No info so far on compatibility with older engines, effect on power or stability of the fuel...
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Grin and bare it is right as stated. We have no control over what Gov. and oil companies decide what we the consumer pays at the pump. In beautiful Canada we are paying $111.00/liter which is cheap compared to your prices. We are looking forward to going south this year and enjoying the US hospitality and experience. Love you guys!
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I personally don't think that fleet average of 54.5 mpg will ever happen. you can legislate it, but having it done is sure another thing. We are a very long way from it now. I just put $240 in my coach a couple of days ago and will have to fill up tomorrow. Going from 90% reduction to a 96% reductions isn't worth the additional dime a gallon to me. That's $7 per fill up. I think the air is cleaner now than it has been in 5 decades.
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Sounds like Inverse Prado Theory.
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We're already on that fuel standard here in California. Today regular is $3.95 at the low priced stations.
We've got smog problems here so they do what they can to try to alleviate the problem.
We live in Fresno county and the large number of dairy farms here create a lot of smog from the gases that cows produce along with the truck and automobile exhaust.
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We live in Fresno county and the large number of dairy farms here create a lot of smog from the gases that cows produce
I'm surprised they don't have gas collection canisters fitted to the cows. Sort of a PCV valve - Positive Cow Ventilation.

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