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Old 03-31-2005, 09:10 PM   #15
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It will be interesting to see how the China economy does in Q3 and Q4. If it dips, I expect Fuel and Steel prices to drop in the US and increase the value of the US currency some. Just a guess though...

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Old 04-02-2005, 04:35 AM   #16
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Let me throw out the other side of the coin. $2.50 a gallon diesel is already making us change our plans. I'm retired and my income certainly doesn't increase anywhere near the increasing prices. Everything we buy is increasing because of transportation costs.
We had planned a long trip through the midwest this summer. We are now planning a much shorter trip. The boss checked her records and it wasn't that long ago we bought fuel in Ga. at .97 a gallon. This year, returning from Fl. was 2.06. If that doesn't force you to rethink expenses, something is wrong.


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Old 04-02-2005, 08:18 AM   #17
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I am of the opinion that all consumer prices are a result of many factors. Gas prices in particular. About the only input we as consumers can make it to shop wisely. I use this site to see the best fuel price in town before leaving to fill up. Here in little ole KFalls the prices fluctuate by .15cents a gallon. Enter your zipcode to see local prices. We will be restricting our trips this year to places we have not seen in Oregon & North California. Happy Trails!!

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Old 04-02-2005, 08:55 AM   #18
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Not going to slow us down much, (since I am retired) we just stay longer to make the total cost of the trip come out even. Its the people still working a 40 hour week that gets burned, we used to take long weekend trips when I went to work M-F, now we drive to and from M-F, never on Saturday/Sunday.

Stay a night or two at a Wal-Mart or some other "Free" location to make up for the "Higher Fuel Prices".

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Old 04-03-2005, 01:03 AM   #19
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These high fuel prices are nothing more then "the fleecing of us Americans" by the greedy oil companies and the jerks on Wall Street. You can also blame the environmentalists for keeping us from be selfsuficent and getting oil from our own supplies.

It seems there are those at the top, who have only one interest, and thats to take as much as they can from us. As long as we set back and let this happen, they'll keep taking more and more and more.

Another side to this problem is our refineries. We have a fewer number of refineries today, then we did 10 years ago. It's the same thing for electricity and generating plants.

Everytime a new refinery or generating plant is proposed, the environmentalists come out of the wood work and protest.

As this country continuse to grow, so are our needs for more engergy supplies or alternatives. As it is, neither oil/refineries or electricity/generator plants & supplies are being increased. So, the greedy "supply and demand" factor is played upon us, and they charge us more.

I believe these higher prices have already caught up with us. A number of RV manufactures have already begun to cut production and are starting to reduce inventories. The orders are slowing down and people are feeling the pinch. Don't let anyone fool you, these high prices do have an effect, that many of us on this forum don't and can't see.

It's time we all wrote our Senators and Congressmen, and tell them enough is enough. "The fleecing of America has got to come to a halt".

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Old 04-03-2005, 03:59 AM   #20
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<BLOCKQUOTE class="ip-ubbcode-quote"><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-title">quote:</div><div class="ip-ubbcode-quote-content">Originally posted by Tomcat F15:
Another side to this problem is our refineries. We have a fewer number of refineries today, then we did 10 years ago. It's the same thing for electricity and generating plants. </div></BLOCKQUOTE>There in lies the problem. When was the last time that we built a refinery here in the US? Short answer, "Long time ago".

There's enough petroleum in the pipeline. The problem is that there isn't enough refining capacity. Just recently we saw on the TV where a BP refinery in Texas blew up that provided 3% of the gross output of finished fuel products. Fuel prices continue to spiral....

It would really be a good thing if "GW" took a good long look at this problem. There are many of our citizens that have less disposable income with this huge price increase in fuel and the threat and real possibility that fuel prices will continue to break price records exists.

I am not calling for an opening of the SOR because we don't need it just yet but we could divert to our economy the petro that is being purchased to fill the reserve. But then again flooding the market with raw petro still won't do much at the pump if they can't make petroleum finished products fast enough.
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As long as we the consumers sit back in a plush recliners and do nothing but complain on the forums, nothing will be done to correct the problem. It is great there are so many people who can say it is not a problem until we see $5 gas prices, but as long as we keep saying that, the politicians and oil companies will say okay, we'll let it happen. As a family of 6 on a fixed income, we are already considering alternative forms of family recreation that are more affordable, which may include selling the truck and RV for a smaller vehicle just to afford the commute to and from work. It does us no good to have an RV that we can not afford to use. Looks like tent camping may be in the picture in the not so far future again
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Old 04-04-2005, 05:48 PM   #22
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Hey Rick,

It sounds like, "what comes around- goes around". Now we're back at the begining.

Just when I think we're getting ahead, someone comes along an pulls the rug out from under us or else they put a big bump in the road and bounce us all over the place.

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.....Snapple is about $10.00 a gallon and diet Coke is about $10.00 a gallon out of a vending machine....have you looked at y our expenses closely before chopping up your vacation plans.....get ready for $3.00 a gallon and start cutting expenses now instead gutting your vacation.....geof kaye
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25 years ago gas was $3.00/gal on a current dollar basis--the world didn't come to an end, we didn't change our gas guzzling ways and we all survived. Therefore, gas would have to get beyond $3,00/gal. before any serious problems would arise. Every 50 cent increase per gallon would cost the average automobile driver (15,000 miles @ 20 MPG) about an additional $375 per year. RV pullers/drivers averaging 6000 miles/year @ 7 MPG would need to come up with an additional $428 per year for the same 50 cent increase. Totalling the 2 amounts to $803/year or #15.44/week. For some people a big problem, for others the same cost as their coffee lattes.
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Old 04-05-2005, 04:15 PM   #25
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Yeah, the numbers look good but when you commute 90 miles a day for work and put in $.20 for every dollar earned to get to work it sucks.
Of course there is always the hambuger stand locally. I wouldn't go hungry, I just wouldn't have lights or heat at home.
p.s. Fueled 27 gallons at a cost of $67.00! It is $2.49 up here in Utah.
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This is not a shortage problem, this is a planned "Fleecing of us Americans", and to those who feel it's all part of life and live with it, it's time you pulled your heads out of that hole and realize that we're getting shafted.
There's no simple answer of fix for this situation, but it surely doesn't call for choaking the life out of us and charging us more.
You've got to really thursty to buy a can of pope out of vending machine and pay 5 times it's normal cost, whether it's convienent or not. As long as you keep paying those high prices, there are jerks out there that will be happy to take your money.
Myself, I have better things to do with my hard earned cash, and it's no putting it in the pocket of those who don't know what a hard days work is.

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You just gotta look on the bright side!

When I got home last night, my wife demanded that I take her out to some place expensive...................

So I took her to a gas station.
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....and you don't have a large gash in you head?....you are certainly a lucky man! Or you are ''cut off '' for the next 4 years till she gets over it....geofkaye
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