Ignoring the Obvious-The Electric Future of the RV Industry

[BTFT]

Posted by a respondent:


" Since all our products are delivered by truck, you would have to put into place a very large system of electrical charging stations for these trucks. This is going to require large amount of power lines in addition to what we already have, as well as additional generating capacity." end quote.



I think if one thinks about this logically. Our electric grid is sufficient to meet this demand. Any small factory uses much much more electricity than an "Electric Truck Stop" would. Further Electric charging stations (as for Tesla and others) Are FAR FAR cheaper, easier and much faster to build, install and maintain than our current Gas Station systems of Tanks and pumps. To say nothing of the environmental issues of leaking tanks, permits et all associated with our current system.


And the system of so called "freebies" will continue for quite awhile into the future at least until Electric vehicles dominate the market. Then Yes it will have to change. But Oil Companies are already planning for that future with new "Fueling Stations" and charging for your recharge.

[BTFT]

Originally Posted by charliez

Has anyone actually rode in a modern electric car? I have. My buddy has one. He can go 20 miles and then he has to walk or use gas. The answer to this is electric cars are not ready for modern use yet. You can have an electric truck, but your only having a hot dog and three peas for supper because that's about all it will haul.

The range on the Tesla model S is 220 miles...all electric.


Not sure what your "friend" is driving.

[Teddyman]

Marcus Lemonis has thoughts on the future of the RV industry and its a prius pulling a smart camper


https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/17/camp...retailer.htmlr.


The internal combustion engine is dying a slow death.

[Arch Hoagland]

Originally Posted by gmtec16450yz

It REALLY depends on where you live. I'm in the SF Bay Area. There are more Tesla's, Prius's, Leaf's and small hybrid SUV's than anything else. There's literally a Prius or Tesla in every driveway on our street except ours. (Ours is filled with high hp big American gas sucking V8's! lol.) Tesla charging stations are everywhere like Home Depot and Target parking lots. Even most of our public transit buses are hybrid or electric only.

I would bet the San Francisco Bay area is one of the leaders across the country for Electric Vehicles. Relatively short drives to work and a lot of infrastructure built for charging.

Plus California adds tax breaks for them.

In 2018 California EV sales were 153,442 vehicles.

New York was next at 15,752 vehicles.

North Dakota came in last at 95 vehicles.

So it's interesting to watch. If Toyota built an electric RV I'd buy it. They led the way to improve the quality of cars built here in the states.

I've driven a Tesla and was impressed. Nice car.

[2002guy]

Nailed it in answer#2 when they build ev trucks rvs will follow. The wife and I have had a leaf for 4 years and it's a great 2nd car but it would not be a great chose for a only car. The town we live in we can visit both grocery store the auto parts store and the hardware store all in one trip and not drive more than 3 miles the leaf doesn't need any warm up at all. The shortfalls of a ev rv are going to be freeway driving where you get little or no kinetic recharge and the big one is aerodynamics you just can't build the aerodynamics needed into a rv and that's unlikely to change.

[ThePowells]

Originally Posted by BTFT

Posted by a respondent:


" Since all our products are delivered by truck, you would have to put into place a very large system of electrical charging stations for these trucks. This is going to require large amount of power lines in addition to what we already have, as well as additional generating capacity." end quote.



I think if one thinks about this logically. Our electric grid is sufficient to meet this demand. Any small factory uses much much more electricity than an "Electric Truck Stop" would. Further Electric charging stations (as for Tesla and others) Are FAR FAR cheaper, easier and much faster to build, install and maintain than our current Gas Station systems of Tanks and pumps. To say nothing of the environmental issues of leaking tanks, permits et all associated with our current system.


And the system of so called "freebies" will continue for quite awhile into the future at least until Electric vehicles dominate the market. Then Yes it will have to change. But Oil Companies are already planning for that future with new "Fueling Stations" and charging for your recharge.

The grid is more fragile than you think and power systems are only capable of marginally more power transmission than normal, maybe 115-120%. The production capability is there, for now. How do you project raising that in the future? With a decline in the percentage of nuc power and coal plants being shut down or castrated by the snowflakes and the build curve of LP facilities, the transmission grid can under normal circumstances handle it, but both will have to be expanded and fortified. LNG engines would probably be more practical for RVs than electric. JMHO

[MRUSA14]

1. The RV industry is making what people want to buy. If it is not green enough for you, don’t buy it, somebody else will.

2. The RV industry has never been at the forefront of new propulsion systems. They have always piggybacked on the technology of other transportation products. When other large vehicles such as trucks and busses make a change , RV’s will follow, as they always have. The RV makers don’t do enough volume to be able to pay for this type of research.

[masdixdragon]

The elephant in the room on electric vehicles is batteries and supposed range...your "tank" is shrinking with each charge cycle..sure tesla says we warrant it for total failure but never mind your capacity is 50% in 5 years...at a proposed optimistic 10,000 dollar replacement cost (more like 23K ATM)...mechanically and performance wise its awe inspiring....but the continually shrinking "tank" give me serious pause at those costs

[RVPioneer]

Mandates and subsidies are driving EV and alternate fuel vehicle production. Add a dose of misinformation and a gullible populace to create a product that would bankrupt a company in short order without government intervention.

EV’s make fine commuter cars but so do other options that don’t cost $60K. Don’t expect to see a battery powered motorhome that is actually useful anytime soon. Why?
There won’t be any tax credits to buy one.
The electric buses that cities are buying cost a million bucks compared to half a million for a natural gas powered version. MH manufacturers aren’t going to do anything that will increase the cost of production.
Range is ridiculous.
RV resorts won’t have supercharging stations and they won’t be free.
Now, go sit down and figure out how long it will take to recharge a 150kwh lithium battery with 1000w of solar panels on the roof.
After that you can go another 100 miles. Then repeat.

[Arch Hoagland]

https://electrek.co/2019/04/10/tesla...ric-motorhome/

Well speak of the Devil. Tesla based electric motorhome announced today.

[winniman]

I know Im always talking about hydrogen, but I truly believe it is the one environmental option that is feasible. Electricity can be generated anywhere there is geo thermal, sun, wind, ocean, or hydro electric. Excess can be turned into hydrogen, which can be stored, and shipped all over the continent. They already have buses running on it in Toronto, and are proposing a train system. The end by product of burning hydrogen is water vapour. Electric cars would still by viable wherever electricity can be easily generated, and the climate is optimal for the use of them. I cant see a trucking company paying employees to sit at a charging station for hours, trying to recharge their electric truck. Many long haul trucks run two drivers, and run nonstop except for fuel stops.

[winniman]

Originally Posted by Arch Hoagland

https://electrek.co/2019/04/10/tesla...ric-motorhome/

Well speak of the Devil. Tesla based electric motorhome announced today.

You will hardly notice the difference from your 45 foot tag. You are going to see these things boondocking at supercharger stations.

[jcussen]

Originally Posted by RVPioneer

Mandates and subsidies are driving EV and alternate fuel vehicle production. Add a dose of misinformation and a gullible populace to create a product that would bankrupt a company in short order without government intervention.

EV’s make fine commuter cars but so do other options that don’t cost $60K. Don’t expect to see a battery powered motorhome that is actually useful anytime soon. Why?
There won’t be any tax credits to buy one.
The electric buses that cities are buying cost a million bucks compared to half a million for a natural gas powered version. MH manufacturers aren’t going to do anything that will increase the cost of production.
Range is ridiculous.
RV resorts won’t have supercharging stations and they won’t be free.
Now, go sit down and figure out how long it will take to recharge a 150kwh lithium battery with 1000w of solar panels on the roof.
After that you can go another 100 miles. Then repeat.

It would take over 2 weeks with good sun to charge up your 150 kwh battery at 1000 watts, provided you did not use any electrical appliances in the coach. So my yearly trip from Texas to Wa. state should only take about 5 or 6 months of travel time.

[Bahamaniac]

People buy TVs to travel. Lots of us want to travel long distance to see landmarks, monuments, and Federal parks. Unfortunately the electric vehicle can NOT do the long distance travel that RV users desire.