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Old 08-23-2016, 11:33 AM   #197
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Originally Posted by gjgerber View Post
You are right in that manufacturers have factored in repair costs for warranties and that they cover 100 percent of the costs during the first year.

However, it generally takes two years to work all the bugs out of the process, and RV owners are on the hook for 100 percent of repairs in Year 2.

Combined with the four to six week wait times for appointments at RV dealerships in the owner's first year, the owner will only be able to use his RV maybe four times between appointments in most parts of the country.

Owners are paying significant amounts of money -- let's not forget lost time to have it in the shop -- because manufacturers rush the RVs down the line and out the door.

As long as RVs with flaws keep selling there is no incentive for RV manufactures to build quality RVs.

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Old 08-23-2016, 11:37 AM   #198
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The problem I see whether a cheap travel trailer or a half mil $ DP, the customer is being used as a quality control inspector. Several flaws in my DP slipped passed both the manufacturer and the dealer inspections, leaving me to find them and bring it back for warranty work. Nowadays that is the way it works for many industries.

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Old 08-23-2016, 05:58 PM   #199
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Originally Posted by Bigfoot_ View Post
I just wanted to jump in with a small comment.

It is not a valid assumption that RV's would cost customers more if they were made with better quality.

1. Let's assume that most of the issues are going to be encountered by the new owner. Component failures are inevitable, but issues relating to construction, system testing, durability etc are bound to be found by the owner.

2. The manufacturers largely bear these costs anyway, because they are paying dealerships and service centers to repair them, supply the parts, spend time on the phone diagnosing issues etc. There is overhead associated with warranty repairs.

3. Large portions of those costs could be avoided by spending more time on assembly to get it right, and more time in QC to catch errors. It is cheaper to fix many issues at the point of assembly rather than in the field.

So let's assume the average cost of field warranty repairs for each motorhome is $10,000. You could probably take 50-75% of that money and spend it in the manufacturing process. It would not cost the customer an extra cent, because you're obviating warranty costs. it would be more efficiently spent at the factory. And the customers would be happy, which would, over the long run, translate into more sales.

But manufacturers don't have the balls to risk spending more on the build, because to much of the companies are run by "financial engineers" who look at soloed manufacturing costs rather than entire cost over the warranty life of the coach.

This is very typical of modern American companies to consider costs in each silo, not as part of an end to end process. A great example of this type of attitude are our major airlines.
Bigfoot, I have to respectively disagree. You are assuming that the plethora of roadblocks, polite Customer Service people whose job is to send customers in circles without accomplishing anything, and disinterested Dealerships whose major concerns are to point to someone else as "being at fault" are not successful in diverting needed repairs away from "warranty" are unsuccessful.

There is an entire "management style" whose mission is to see that the customer is not successful in getting flaws and poor workmanship repaired under warranty don't you?

If the company (both Manufacturer and Dealerships) can prevent the customer from having work repaired successfully under warranty than the Manufacturer makes more money, and many times the Dealership makes more money since the customer often pays more for repairs than the Dealership would have been reimbursed as a warranty repair.

It's a "Win Win" for the Manufacturer, in a short sighted, narrow minded sort of way!

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