Go Back   iRV2 Forums > iRV2.com COMMUNITY FORUMS > iRV2.com General Discussion
Click Here to Login
Join iRV2 Today

Mission Statement: Supporting thoughtful exchange of knowledge, values and experience among RV enthusiasts.
Reply
  This discussion is proudly sponsored by:
Please support our sponsors and let them know you heard about their products on iRV2
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 05-04-2016, 12:16 PM   #1
Moderator Emeritus
 
Gary RVRoamer's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Silver Springs, FL. USA
Posts: 18,073
Question Keep the Norcold "recall box"?

Had an interesting call this morning and thought I would share it. The question arose during a discussion about the ARP fridge boiler monitor, a device that is widely recommended by many IRV2 members for extra protection and sometimes improved performance for absorption fridges.

The recommended installation of the ARP retains the Norcold provided "recall box" which totally and permanently shuts down the fridge in the event of a boiler overheat. Normally the ARP detects the beginning of an overheat and manages the situation by temporarily shutting down and then restarting, so the Norcold recall box doesn't trip. But the Norcold recall box is also known to shut off for spurious reasons, including voltage fluctuations in the RV 12v system and water spraying in through the exterior fridge vents, as when washing the RV. Sometimes the recall box can be reset using a magnet, but if not, what do you do? We all know it may take weeks to get a service appointment and Norcold doesn't make it easy to get replacement recall boxes. So do you go weeks with warm beer, wilted lettuce and no ice cream? A fate worse than death, some may say!

Some RV techs will just shrug their shoulders and say you have to wait for a replacement box. Others may simply bypass the recall box and the ARP to get the fridge working again, but that leaves the fridge vulnerable to an overheat and the owner at risk for fire. It makes more sense [to me, anyway], to leave the ARP in the power circuit and bypass the Norcold recall box. Norcold won't approve of that and probably the RV tech will follow Norcold's lead, but as the owner of the fridge you can make that call. In my opinion the ARP provides fully adequate protection against overheating, so can get your fridge working again while you wait for the other recall box to be replaced.

So what would you do?
1. Nothing - wait for the replacement recall box and use a picnic cooler in the meantime

2. Bypass the recall box and leave the ARP controller in place and working, and use the fridge normally. Install a new recall bocx when available.

3. Bypass both the ARP and the recall box and use the fridge normally. Install a new recall box when available and reconnect as before.

4. Forget the recall box and just let the ARP handle boiler safety monitoring?

For those who haven't heard of ARP, you can read more about it at https://www.arprv.com/
__________________

__________________
Gary Brinck
Former owner of 2004 American Tradition
Home is in the Ocala Nat'l Forest near Ocala, FL
Summers in Black Mountain, NC
Gary RVRoamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Join the #1 RV Forum Today - It's Totally Free!

iRV2.com RV Community - Are you about to start a new improvement on your RV or need some help with some maintenance? Do you need advice on what products to buy? Or maybe you can give others some advice? No matter where you fit in you'll find that iRV2 is a great community to join. Best of all it's totally FREE!

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest so you have limited access to our community. Please take the time to register and you will gain a lot of great new features including; the ability to participate in discussions, network with other RV owners, see fewer ads, upload photographs, create an RV blog, send private messages and so much, much more!

Old 05-04-2016, 02:33 PM   #2
Senior Member/RVM #90
 
MSHappyCampers's Avatar


 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Columbus, MS
Posts: 26,295
Gary, I don't see why the recall box would be needed with the ARP, but maybe they don't want to remove it for legal reasons!
__________________

__________________
Joe & Annette

2002 Monaco Windsor 40PBT, 2013 Honda CRV AWD
MSHappyCampers is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 06:07 PM   #3
Senior Member
 
HicksRA's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: Fort Worth TX
Posts: 845
The thermocouple on my recall box went TU right before I was leaving for an extended trip. It was going to take weeks to get the recall box replaced. Norcold will only send it to a certified tech, not the owner.
I opted for an ARP unit and simply cut, stripped and twisted the two thermocouple wires together and it's been that way for 2 years now.
Double safety would be better (if the recall boxes had any amount of reliability), but I feel I'm quite adequately protected by the ARP alone.
That's just my opinion. Others' may vary.
__________________
2005 Newmar Dutch Star 4024
Pulling my 2012 Malibu w/Blue OX & Patriot brake unit
HicksRA is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 06:48 PM   #4
Senior Member
 
krivanj's Avatar


 
Fleetwood Owners Club
American Coach Owners Club
Spartan Chassis
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: Fort Pierce, FL
Posts: 639
HappyCampers is right on if you care about your insurance covering a loss because the Norcold caught fire. I would guess if the investigator saw it out or discontinued, no insurance would pay off.
__________________
Revolution LE 38X C9 Cat
2011 Scion TC toad
1985 KLR 600 as a backup...
krivanj is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-04-2016, 07:29 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
powercat_ras's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Solo Rvers Club
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,026
I would keep the recall box in line for the reasons mentioned above, but you can install insulated spade and socket crimp connectors in the leads on both sides of it arranged so you can quickly by-pass it if need be if it opens up and a magnet does not reset it. Based on another thread on this forum, even Norcold engineers have acknowledged that the recall box is not effective on preventing the boiler tube corrosion that causes leaks that can vent hydrogen gas and cause a fire, I suppose if all the working fluid leaks out and there is no fire, then eventually the boiler tube gets so hot that the recall box shuts off the heat. The ARP box WILL shut off the heat below the temperature that causes the boiler tube to corrode. It's a great product. Wish Norcold and Dometic would license the patent and build it into their new products.
__________________
Randy - Manhattan, Kansas
2015 Vista 27N
2016 Honda HR-V
powercat_ras is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2016, 10:21 AM   #6
Senior Member
 
capecodbob's Avatar
 
Newmar Owners Club
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 147
After having problems with my Norcold and doing much research I installed a new cooling unit from RVcool myself. Has neen working flawlessly sinse last July and warrenteed for LIFE !
Norcold 1200 Replacement Cooling Units by RVCOOL
__________________
capecodbob is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2016, 10:43 AM   #7
Senior Member


 
Monaco Owners Club
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Satsop WA
Posts: 1,212
Here is our story with the Norcold 1200.
Bought our 2001 Windsor 3 years ago.
A year ago I had read enough about the recall, got concerned enough that I figured we should do it.
Now to this point the fridge had worked flawlessly.
Had Norcold recall box installed.
Fridge works at times, other times, not so much.
Become a expert at resetting the fridge so it will work, at times, well until it doesnt again.
Read about the ARP unit.
Buy ARP unit, have it installed and am running both boxes.
Kind of same deal, adjust insulation, finally disconnect the Norcold recall box but leave it in for insurance claim just in case, just not hooked up.
Really like ARP unit, can see the temp, its nice.
Fridge works sometimes, by now regardless.

Buy Amish cooling unit, have it installed, 5000 miles ago, have no issues with fridge.

[moderator edit]

Edit:
Shoot, didnt answer the op question, what would I do?
Leave the dang thing alone and realize I had a better chance of winning $500,000,000 in the lottery than I did of this thing catching fire.
__________________
2007 Alpine Limited SE
TMan59 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2016, 11:08 AM   #8
Senior Member
 
Brockx's Avatar


 
Fleetwood Owners Club
Ford Super Duty Owner
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Punta Gorda FL.
Posts: 2,631
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gary RVRoamer View Post
Had an interesting call this morning .............

So what would you do?

2. Bypass the recall box and leave the ARP controller in place and working, and use the fridge normally. Install a new recall bocx when available.

For those who haven't heard of ARP, you can read more about it at https://www.arprv.com/
Gary to me #2 is the Win / Win route

Quote:
Originally Posted by capecodbob View Post
After having problems with my Norcold and doing much research I installed a new cooling unit from RVcool myself. Has neen working flawlessly sinse last July and warrenteed for LIFE !
Norcold 1200 Replacement Cooling Units by RVCOOL
Bob, I have added fans that helped considerably, long plan is replace with a residential. I really kind of hate doing a total replacement (Residential). Are you real happy, icemaker, LP and 110V both OK ? Did you retain the Norcold recall box for insurance reasons?
__________________
2008 Bounder 38P F53 24/30K V10, 2013 Kia Soul Basic 6 speed manual, Ready Brake Elite tow system (previous equipment 1996 Pace Arrow Vision w/Acme Dolly)
Brockx is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-05-2016, 12:29 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
Smitty77's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Over the next hill, around the next curve...
Posts: 3,305
While I admit I moved on to a Residential Samsung (Note at the end on why.), I was one of the Norcold 1200 abused owners for about 5 years. (Coach was built in Sept of 2003, but we did not buy it until about 6 1/2 years ago.)

In that time, for safety and better efficiency we did:
-Added the Amish Cooling Unit (Proactively before being needed.)
-Added optional rear fans, with a switch to turn on/off for in extreme high temperature weather conditions
-SS30 Halo Extinguisher added to rear of fridge cabinet
-Fire/Smoke alarm also added to rear of fridge cabinet
-Did the first recall from Norcold
-Added internal cooling fans to assist in air flow
-Passed on the second and then the final Norcold recalls, as I had zero confidence in them. What a farce, people are losing their RV's, Boats and are at risk of losing life, and also pets lives. And yet Norcold never stepped up to the plate to take care of faulty build quality. I'll make it a point to avoid any and all products associated with a company that does not 'do the right thing'.

I was about to order the ARP, as I feel it is a great product that does many of the things that Norcold could have done. For those with Norcold 1200's, I do recommend all of the above steps, your call on when to do the change to the Amish Cooling Unit. We found that ours due to better design and more actually tubing/coolant, allowed us to run our Norcold at about 3 numbers lower then the OEM tubing supported.

ARP bypass? Why not, as it is doing a much better job then just a simple 'off' of the Norcold recall. So you get better efficiency and safe running at all times, not just when 'off' maybe needed.

Why the residential fridge, after all of the money and effort to want to retain the LP functionality for extended boon docking? Well, after about 9-10 months of using our installed Solar System and larger battery bank (1200W of Solar, feeding 800AH of Lifeline AGM's battery bank.), I felt we had more then adequate reserves to handle the residential fridge. So the need for LP boon docking support, was replaced with the wife desire for more fridge/freezer space. Thus we went to the Samsung gang! (And, have enjoyed the benefits... Though I miss stopping for LP. No oven, and HydroHot heating, so no other LP usage then the stove top. And that is only used about 60% of the time, as we like the Induction Counter Top unit due to keeping the coach cooler while in hot temperature zones. I could very easily go three years without needing to top off the LP. I sometimes use my outside connection for our Amazing Campfire in a Can, which can consume some LP, but usually we like it a bit further away from the coach, so use our portable LP tank for that duty.

Best to all, be safe, have fun,
Smitty
__________________
Roo II is our 04 Country Coach Allure 40'
OnDRoad for The JRNY! Enjoy life...
Smitty77 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 05-06-2016, 07:03 AM   #10
IC2
Senior Member
 
IC2's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Upstate New York
Posts: 1,879
As I understand it, cooling units in RV fridges fail from the unit being out of level while parked. What constitutes 'out of level'? I'm always pretty close though do check with a little round bullseye level in the freezer flat area and figure if the bubble is mostly in the center circle, I'm in good shape. After having a brand new fridge fail many years back in a p'up when it got left for about a 1/2 hour off level am very wary of that levelness.

A note - I just ordered an ARP 2.0 from the RV Cooling Unit Warehouse and with a special code, it was $100 including free shipping.
__________________
Dave W along with my DW, Susan and our poodlepups, Callie & Molly,2011 Ford F250 6.7 CCLB, 5er Hitch Option w/B&W Hitch,,Ride Rite air bags, 2014 Montana High Country 343RL (38')
IC2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2016, 09:47 AM   #11
Senior Member
 
powercat_ras's Avatar
 
Winnebago Owners Club
Solo Rvers Club
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 1,026
Out of level is three degrees side to side of the fridge and six degrees door to back wall of the fridge. Worse than this the coolant cycle can stop and cause the high boiler temp that causes boiler damage
__________________
Randy - Manhattan, Kansas
2015 Vista 27N
2016 Honda HR-V
powercat_ras is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-07-2016, 10:21 AM   #12
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Posts: 4,077
Just for information ......

The Norcold Recall Sensor trips at 700*F
__________________
Old-Biscuit is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2016, 05:54 PM   #13
Moderator Emeritus
 
Gary RVRoamer's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Silver Springs, FL. USA
Posts: 18,073
Quote:
I don't see why the recall box would be needed with the ARP, but maybe they don't want to remove it for legal reasons!
That's exactly the reason. If you don't have one and the fridge catches fire, do you want to have to argue with Norcold's lawyers? If you have their safety equipment, they don't have any ammunition for their gun.
__________________
Gary Brinck
Former owner of 2004 American Tradition
Home is in the Ocala Nat'l Forest near Ocala, FL
Summers in Black Mountain, NC
Gary RVRoamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-08-2016, 05:58 PM   #14
Moderator Emeritus
 
Gary RVRoamer's Avatar


 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Silver Springs, FL. USA
Posts: 18,073
Quote:
The Norcold Recall Sensor trips at 700*F
Various tests have shown the Norcold sensor tripping between 700 and 800. It's not a very exact device, and boiler tube temperatures and sensor positions vary a lot. That's right up around the burst temp/pressure for the boiler and flue tubing, so things are at the disaster level when and if it trips.
__________________

__________________
Gary Brinck
Former owner of 2004 American Tradition
Home is in the Ocala Nat'l Forest near Ocala, FL
Summers in Black Mountain, NC
Gary RVRoamer is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
norcold, recall



Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Dreaded Red Light on Norcold recall Box Mickey Mouse RV Systems & Appliances 159 10-03-2017 01:19 PM
"New Posts," "Today's Posts" and "List Subscriptions" Not Current l1v3fr33ord1 Forum 101 | Announcements | Member Concerns 3 02-23-2016 07:28 AM
Norcold 1200 recall box light blinking (No cold) HHIDan RV Systems & Appliances 15 10-22-2012 12:25 PM
To keep or not to keep? Wallaby Dan Vintage RV's 11 10-24-2006 05:56 PM

» Virginia Campgrounds

Reviews provided by


Copyright 2002- Social Knowledge, LLC All Rights Reserved.

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 11:11 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.