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Old 10-17-2015, 11:44 AM   #15
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Good grammar is the difference between knowing your cr*p and knowing you're cr*p.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:49 AM   #16
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I try not to let the small stuff bother me. Yes, poor grammer and misused words do jump out. I suspect that in many cases, spell check and/or grammar correction tools may have had a hand in some of the goofy stuff I see. In the end, as long as I can understand whatever has been written - I'm OK with it. Every now and then (especially when texting!) - I'll use a few of the spelling/grammar shortcuts myself (even if it feels completely weird doing it!).

In the end - I think it ultimately boils down to when and where it appears. Texting, anything goes. Forum responses ... not so much. Business emails and correspondence ... almost never. It's not a question of whether one does or doesn't - it's whether they know the right way and can deliver it when it's appropriate.
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Old 10-17-2015, 11:55 AM   #17
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I was known as The Grammar Patrol at work (and not in a complimentary way), because I was one of the few engineers on staff who could actually write clearly and concisely. In addition to my regular work, I was often tasked with reviewing and cleaning up other documents so they made sense.

What I consider to be poor grammar doesn't bother me for its own sake (well, maybe it does if I think the writer is being lazy or should know better; the tendency of NASCAR broadcasters my age to use "he" as a pronoun instead of "him" is irritating. ). I understand how language does change in a culture over time (but when did the word "dank" shift to mean something really good/tasty?). What bothers me is when something is so poorly written (spelling or grammar) that the MEANING is unclear between what the writer intended and what the reader understood.
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Old 10-17-2015, 12:24 PM   #19
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I always find it sad that the only way can feel better about themselves is to put others down. People come on forums to get help or help others . Not to take an English class.
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As long as someone is getting a point across who gives a damn about grammar. Lighten up, this is supposed to be informative and fun!!
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As long as someone is getting a point across who gives a damn about grammar. Lighten up, this is supposed to be informative and fun!!
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All too often bad grammar and/or the use of unfamiliar or made-up acronyms DO NOT Get The POINT ACROSS.
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Old 10-17-2015, 01:03 PM   #21
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Times changeth, thou now useth computers rather than quill and ink. Spell checking makes life easier too. I used log books by the pile when studying trigonometry, now it's so much easier with calculators, but one still needs to know the correct buttons to push.
While I agree with you that grammar has gone out of style and personally I think as you do, it's rather sad. we have much greater issues with youth today and in society in general.
PC, refusal to be held responsible for ones own actions,no winners just participants an ever decreasing moral standard and corrupt lying leadership at all levels in most fields from government to business to religion is a far greater risk for the future generations than 'bad' grammar.





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Old 10-17-2015, 01:14 PM   #22
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I am not a grammar/spelling patrolman. My job years back was managing a worldwide engineering group, ~50% were American, the rest Irish, British or other non native American English speaker. Every week a field report on what they had accomplished was required. The American engineers (and they were all engineering college grads) were by far the worst. I tried to somewhat police their reporting skills - that is until I received one from an Eastern European engineer that only said "I camed, I fixed, I lefted".

As long as some sense can be made of a thread post, it really doesn't matter. I don't like it, but there are just some people that don't have writing skills - it's a mute .... errr moot point and a duel .... or do I mean dual problem?
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Old 10-17-2015, 01:37 PM   #23
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Most of what we all are experiencing is simply the LAZY way of doing things. It's easier to allow the wrong than to correct it. It's happening in most aspects of life. We eat out because it's easier. As a diabetic of 30+ years that's when I have the most trouble because of what is put in the food that is not listed on the menu.

My pet peeve in grammar it the atrocious misuse of the word, OUT. I encounter it every single day either on these forums, TV, radio general speech between individuals. How it is misused and why? Here's how.

I need to change OUT my oil. Does not the word CHANGE indicate the removal and replacing of the oil?

I need to change OUT my spark plugs or tires.
I want to separate OUT my socks.

Listen to the world around you and you too will hear it said many, many times a day.

WHY?? I believe those unnecessary word/words are added to sentences to place a greater emphasis to the intended action or to try and say it with greater conviction. It may be a hold over from people saying, "Jim please take the garbage OUT." That's ending a sentence with a preposition. It should read, "Jim, please take out the garbage." When we have heard that incorrect phrase said over and over and over then we tend to copy the incorrect sentence structure by saying things like, "Hey Betty lets change OUT the wallpaper in the living room."

I do not loose any sleep over this kind of stuff.

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Im like you know whats the diff? if some goober wants to right about stuff whats wrong with no punctuation or grammer every body gets it dont they all that grammer stuff is old and inneccessary we all get the message like dont us not as if bad grammor or poor punctuatuon makes u look like a donkeys behind with out no educashun so jus chill duds you know
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It seems the grammar is getting worse all the time with posters in all forums, not just here.

We have never went rather than we have never gone or we never went

One of my faves:
I would rather have him kiss me then shoot me
I would rather have him kiss me than shoot me

I could go on and on but really wonder how this gets to be the way it is, do they not teach this in schools anymore and if they don't, they did indeed when 99% of us posting here attended school

And now you may begin to pick this post apart
Agree but as you know the world progresses and slang has become part of the common language.

That along with auto correct sometimes make a strange combination.

Next big education change is the eradication of cursive writing.
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They are already eliminating teaching cursive writing. The world may be changing but we don't have to accept or allow the negative aspects of the changes to continue. Embrace the new technology for what it is, sometimes good but many times out of control with no restraints. The best example is the obsessive out of control use of cell phones. Parents use them as baby setters. Again it's easier. It destroys and hampers real face to face communications, creativity and promotes more one sided entertainment.

Kids today for the most part can't think without being told what to do, talk intelligently to get a point across, like the fact that like well you know like you know when they like well you get the picture. Their vocabulary is so poor they continually inject words like LIKE while they search for you know another adjective like well you know like what I'm saying like. Ever really listen to today's kids???? They can't express themselves. Sad!!!

Those are reason why kids and the world need to learn proper grammar, punctuation, speech, and diction. It's called expression of human ideas and thoughts. It's called proper, clear, no nonsense sharing of ideas. That is difficult to accomplish when the participants can't spell, punctuate properly, use proper descriptive adjectives so those ideas can be communicated clearly. The future leaders are being trained NOW. Lord help us!!

When we stop holding people accountable and responsible, even for such small things as grammar, we are on a slippery slope from being a functioning Democracy expressing and sharing ideas and sink into socialism where only a few elite educated individuals control all the puppets and slaves.

Johnathan Gruber said it best. Who's he??? Obama's health care architect. "The American public is to stupid to know what was passed. We passed it when we did because we didn't want anybody to read it."

It begins with what we are seeing today. Doubt it??? Read the history. Scores of countries have and are failing for the exact reason.

In many circles it is no longer acceptable to be Patriotic, polite, to show in any way that you believe in God, believe in doing the right thing because human nature tells you it's right, get good grades and on and on. Grammar and correct punctuation is a small part of it but a part just the same.

ee cummings was an early and maybe the first poet who wrote using no punctuation or capital letters.

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My good man you have nailed it, my children all speak well and I am so proud of that but it concerns me greatly that simple things such as grammar and diction are allowed to become incoherent, it tells me our society is on a slow and steady downhill slide, I feel genuinely sad about that.
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I guess we rise to expectations. Just shows you. We dont expect much from our politicians and . . . . . . . .
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