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Old 05-29-2015, 02:29 PM   #43
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You run into this from time to time. With no park hosts or no ranger, it's going to turn in to anarchy and chaos if law enforcement won't come out. I don't know that it's a generational thing as much as a demographic thing.

Although we've run into that from time to time, we've never been in a campground where no ranger or LEO would show up if called.

I have run into the opposite - a verbally abusive and hostile camp host, who assumed we were part of the "troublemaking" demographic.

I had a friend book us two spots at a private campground. Pulling in, we ended up swapping spots. He made reservations and disclosed that they have a terrier. We have had a disabled German Shepherd and that wasn't disclosed (my friend didn't know we were bringing him).

As such, the camp host thought I lied about dog type.

Simple misunderstanding, right? I thought so, I so... So I took the screaming in my face about "integrity" and being a "liar" and being told that they weren't going to refund a dime. I understood who he thought I was... So I took it, in front of my 5-year old son, who cried. I thought that we'd get through that and have a rational discussion.

But no, I didn't get to a rational discussion. I pointed out that we had simply swapped spots, that the terrier was there, and that their website said nothing about "prohibited breeds". I pointed out that it was OUR fault for not having informed our friends that we were bringing the dog.. I pointed out that he couldn't walk and that I'd be happy to address any issue - or if it was absolutely prohibited, we'd leave and chalk it up to misunderstanding.

I asked his staff to confirm - they understood what happened. I think the staff was too scared to intervene.

I was met with further berating... Literal screaming.. He said I didn't have to leave, but I the dog could not touch the ground. As such, I spent two days carrying an 80 lb dog on and off property - the alternative was ruining the weekend for all of us...

Not all people are reasonable or rational. Both campers and owners. I imagine that there is much more exacerbation on the owner side from various misbehaviors...

There are places we won't go back to - and why reviews are so important.
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Old 05-29-2015, 02:59 PM   #45
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one of the reasons I ALWAYS have the rear ac going on HIGH FAN so it never shuts off and typically drowns out all but the loudest noises

(Course, the saving grace is I'm typically the loudest talker in the park ~!~)
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Bridge to respect

Many sides of the equation have been discussed. The real question is : How to bridge the respect gap and show respect by all. I am also concerned at the demise of respect and rules. If there are rules and we all seem to agree they may exist, why does the trend today seem that we issue reminders about the rules and considerations before compliance to known courtesies are adhered to. Grown adults, and yet it is there right to be reminded of consideration of others before complying is mind boggling.

I am amazed lately at how a life in our society is not a scared as what I as a baby boomer remember it to be. Road-rage, boat-rage and now just rage ect.. today is prevelent today. I miss the days were a handshake represented a contract unspoken and unsigned. Try to do that today, and you will be laughed out of court.

Finally, I agree that baby boomers need to communicate more effectively with all and with respect. However, I realize I grew up that respecting our elderly was a responsibility that most lived by, now some elderly are treated differently and what wisdom they may provide is treated like a handicap in many repects today. Yes some ederly are even grouches! But while we repair the bridge to respect, we should all realize none of us are perfect.
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Old 05-29-2015, 03:13 PM   #47
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My experience has been different.

I have never seen anyone get kicked out of a private campground or RVPark for noise complaints, smoking weed, or public intoxication. However, I have seen rangers and local police escort unruly campers out of State and National Parks several times.

While I have been on several private campground and RVPark sales pitch meetings that tout how wonderful their private security is, and how they enforce the rules. In reality they never want to ruffle the feathers of a yearly maintenance fee paying member.
We have seen campers breaking the rules escorted to the gate at private campgrounds!
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Old 05-29-2015, 03:33 PM   #48
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Many years ago I read about an experiment with rats. They had X number of rats in a confined area. They got along very well. As the population grew more crowded, fights broke out. Next they were killing each other. Does that sound familiar to You? And scary, as it can only get worse.
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Old 05-29-2015, 05:04 PM   #49
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Unfortunately, the parks that are the cheapest to get into have the most problems with the young folks and are not monitored like a private campground. This is one of the reasons we stay in private campgrounds. Not saying there can't be problems there, but not as likely if these folks have to pay more to camp. I definitely check for reviews whenever possible.
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Our children were taught from day one of camping how to act while camping. Have fun but not loud after dark, stay off other people's sites and pick up after yourself. i hope they will continue to camp as they get older and have families of their own and pass on what they were taught.
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Why is it, after 3 years of fulltiming, that I have not seen any of the "new age" issues presented here?
Am I lucky? Or do I just make wise choices?
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Old 05-29-2015, 09:11 PM   #52
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I've tent camped most of my life and have been to lots of state parks. I have seen these unruly types. Most of the time I just keep to my space and They will quiet down. If they don't we usually will pack up and go to different spot where its more to our taste. I have raised my children to be respectful of others and to the camp grounds as well.
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I strongly believe (or like to believe) that people on forums such as this,
learn, want to learn, and try to pay forward all the plus side of Rving.

Some say they have not seen the new attitude, however they do see people
"camped" in walmart, slides out, jacks down. We all have seen people walk their dogs and not pick up.
We all have had a loud neighbor, with or without a ready supply of alcohol.
We all have seen rvers hose down their rigs, cars, trucks, in cgs that say "no vehicle washing".
We all know people that watch Netflix, download music or movies, tying up all the WIFI in the park.

Unfortunately we say we have never encountered this, acted upon it, or willing to
change it.

When someone says anything about these in forums, they are attacked by the ones
that see no wrong.
Fees keep goi ng up, rules and regulations get longer, and more rules get broken.

Yes it would be great to pay it forward on all the good rather than need to rant on forums.
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I had a friend who had a great way of calming a trouble maker.
He would go up to them and introduced himself and shake their hand. While holding the trouble maker's hand he would begin to squeeze and gently encourage the person it would be in his best interest to tone things down.

Unfortunately I don't have the hand strength to do what he did but have found a calm voice and a firm attitude have worked.


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Many sides of the equation have been discussed. The real question is : How to bridge the respect gap and show respect by all. I am also concerned at the demise of respect and rules. If there are rules and we all seem to agree they may exist, why does the trend today seem that we issue reminders about the rules and considerations before compliance to known courtesies are adhered to. Grown adults, and yet it is there right to be reminded of consideration of others before complying is mind boggling.

I am amazed lately at how a life in our society is not a scared as what I as a baby boomer remember it to be. Road-rage, boat-rage and now just rage ect.. today is prevelent today. I miss the days were a handshake represented a contract unspoken and unsigned. Try to do that today, and you will be laughed out of court.

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Very good post. Well said.
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Have wheels will travel. When it happens to us we leave, sometimes at 4am. First thing crank up the diesel, then the awnings go up, start unhooking the water, sewer, and elec. storing said items in storage bays where the doors keep slipping out my hands and slamming. Next asking my navigator if everything is ready to go on the inside in a not so soft voice. Then I hook up the towed all the while giving loud instructions. Usually by the time we're pulling out the loud mouths are awake and have their lights on. I've even gone so far as testing the horn before we've left. Does this make me a bad person?
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