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Old 09-20-2012, 11:06 PM   #15
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I agree with the OP reasons. One other thought we had was as your driving the passenger view out the side window is blocked by the door screen and multiple door and body pillars. I think one model of the National Tropical had a mid door around 2004-2006. We drove a Workhorse UFO when they first came out and the model we drove had a mid door and no doghouse. Very accessable for the passenger and wide open side windows.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:18 PM   #16
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Newmar used to have mid entry doors as an option on some models. Hard to have a doorway in a curb side slide. We looked at them and decided we wanted the slide, plus there was no well in the middle to fall into and we didn't lose a whole bunch of storage in the bays.
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Old 09-20-2012, 11:31 PM   #17
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We own Alpine Coach 36' mid door. My personal reasoning is, mid door will more likely give you an exit in a front end collision. Also, easier to load supplies and better access to refer when sitting under awning.

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Old 09-20-2012, 11:47 PM   #18
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My wife and I are shopping for a "new to us" diesel pusher motorhome. We have a strong dislike of the "bus style" front door entry, and are wondering if we are alone in this (as the prevalence of front doors on newer coaches would suggest) or are there others who feel this way as well. Of those who prefer front entry, I would ask: Would you please explain the advantages to me? As to why I dislike front doors:
We too did not want the front door because our last mh had a mid coach door. It was a gas front engine. A mid door can prevent you from having a slide in that area. We have become accustomed to the front door and now appreciate the convenience and location.(In our dp)

1. They interfere with the passenger seat by placing the hole in the floor where feet should be (even an automatic cover leaves an uneven floor).
Our cover comes up even with the floor. Since the seat is an electric recliner the feet on the floor is a rare situation anyway.

2. The passenger seat winds up offset to the rear such that two people are no longer seated side by side with each other in a companionable fashion.
There is no offset in ours. And both will swivel to the back providing some real nice leather chairs.

3. Should the driver want to exit the coach during a brief stop to check on the rig etc. he must climb over/disturb the passenger to do so, as driver's doors seem to have become extinct.
If I need to stop the passenger knows this and already has their seat in an upright position and they have a button to bring the floor cover in. And they have time anyway because everyone knows the driver gets to GO first. As for a drivers door that space is not taken up by a dangerous exit high above the ground that lends itself to wind noise and I have all that space for buttons and drink holders. When I stop for fuel I sit on the steps and put on paper booties so I donít track oil back inside. Canít do that safely when climbing down pegs or holes.

4. They go against typical architectural traffic flow: When was the last time you were in someone's home, and, to leave the living room, you had to go to the far corner of the room and around the back of a recliner to get out the front door?!
An rv is definitely a compromise.

5. This last point is particularly pertinent as in a motorhome, with the kitchen virtually always in the middle, and a patio under an awning, again in the center of the coach, the trip from the lounge chair to the fridge doubles in length. I guess they feel we need the excercise!
I would love to hear any and all views on this subject.
Our fridge is the first place you come to when you enter past the passenger seat. I keep an ice chest on a slide out to minimize trips indoors and prefer my beer from ice cold water.
So be patient and check out a lot more floor plans. Less likely to fall down a front step in the middle of the night too. A center door would be easy to pass over and down into.

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Old 09-21-2012, 08:26 AM   #19
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Most manufacturers have offered a mid-door DP at one time or another, but they haven't proved to be very popular floor plans. When it comes down to it, the manufacturers build what most people will buy and the front entry floor plans have proven to be the most popular. That doesn't mean that mid-entry doesn't have some advantages, but overall the better use of the available floor space wins out.

I'll make one further comment on the architectural traffic flow point: Standard architectural practice puts the entry door in a corner of the room if that entry has a stairwell protruding into the room, e.g. in a split level or raised ranch style home. Same reasons as in a RV - better use of floor space and safety.

By the way, a front entry does not necessarily offset the passenger seat, nor does it have to leave an uneven floor if the stairwell cover is closed. My front entry coach does neither of those things.
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Old 09-21-2012, 09:22 AM   #20
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We searched long and hard for a side door DP, and are very happy with it, if we ever change coaches we will look for one again.

Yes you "lose" 30" of wall space but the convenience when loading/unloading, running in and out when grilling, and ease of taking puppies out in the middle of the night more than make up for the "lost" space.

Also DW gets a full side window when traveling instead of many small ones like most side doors have.

As someone said earlier it's a Ford/Chevy thing, for us while we probably could have lived with a bus door if we could have found one where DW and I were side by side, as much as we go in and out when camping the side door is perfect.
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My wife and I are shopping for a "new to us" diesel pusher motorhome. We have a strong dislike of the "bus style" front door entry, and are wondering if we are alone in this (as the prevalence of front doors on newer coaches would suggest) or are there others who feel this way as well. Of those who prefer front entry, I would ask: Would you please explain the addvantages to me? As to why I dislike front doors:
1. They interfere with the passenger seat by placing the hole in the floor where feet should be (even an automatic cover leaves an uneven floor).
2. The passenger seat winds up offset to the rear such that two people are no longer seated side by side with each other in a companionable fashion.
3. Should the driver want to exit the coach during a brief stop to check on the rig etc. he must climb over/disturb the passenger to do so, as driver's doors seem to have become extinct.
4. They go against typical architectural traffic flow: When was the last time you were in someone's home, and, to leave the living room, you had to go to the far corner of the room and around the back of a recliner to get out the front door?!
5. This last point is particularly pertinent as in a motorhome, with the kitchen virtually always in the middle, and a patio under an awning, again in the center of the coach, the trip from the lounge chair to the fridge doubles in length. I guess they feel we need the excercise!
I would love to hear any and all views on this subject.
We went from mid-door to front entry and I hated it. Mostly because it does block the view for the passenger. The '99 Chieftain we had, in my opinion had the best floor plan and the best inside storage. The only reason we traded was because it was gas and not diesel, and to our knowledge there were no diesel mid doors available. If they are, now, that's what I would go for even if it meant losing a slide. I think everyone of you points are valid. I also liked the driver side door-I think it was a good safety feature.
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We searched long and hard for a side door DP, and are very happy with it, if we ever change coaches we will look for one again.

Yes you "lose" 30" of wall space but the convenience when loading/unloading, running in and out when grilling, and ease of taking puppies out in the middle of the night more than make up for the "lost" space.

Also DW gets a full side window when traveling instead of many small ones like most side doors have.

As someone said earlier it's a Ford/Chevy thing, for us while we probably could have lived with a bus door if we could have found one where DW and I were side by side, as much as we go in and out when camping the side door is perfect.
Not only do the windows block the view, but the mirror did on our case, too. The slide prevented using some positions in the passenger seat-our floor came up flush so no problem there. Except that my husband found the coach of his dreams, there wasn't anything I preferred over the ChieftAin except the lack of noise. I'm on an IPhone so I can't go into great detail, but my we were planning to trade back in just before he passed.
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The thing I loved most about our old 99 pace arrow was the mid entry (and the drivers door!!!!)
We searched long and hard for a DP with those features and a floor plan we liked.
Failure. Total failure.
We like the floor plan on our knight so much I try to ignore the fact that I cannot exit the bus without not only my wifes permission, but also her full cooperation, and willingness to reach out her hand and hit the step cover switch, as well as crank down her footrest...

Oddly, I generally have to request these things, after the coach has come to rest next to a fuel pump, or in a campground....

If I was sitting in that chair, the slowing of the coach on the exit ramp would be clue enough to hit some switches... :(
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The thing I like the least about the front entry is in bad weather you are way more exposed to the elements as you enter the door even with the little hanker chief sized awning over you. With a mid entry you are under the main awning and can kick you shoes and jacket off and leave outside the door. That being said I know the mid door disrupts the floorplan of the galley/livingroom. It's another one of those compromises.
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The thing I like the least about the front entry is in bad weather you are way more exposed to the elements as you enter the door even with the little hanker chief sized awning over you. With a mid entry you are under the main awning and can kick you shoes and jacket off and leave outside the door. That being said I know the mid door disrupts the floorplan of the galley/livingroom. It's another one of those compromises.
For me this is huge. I fish and boat EVERYWHERE I go, so I have gear outside, like fishing poles, vests and bags hung on chairs, waders drying out, etc. This all works well under a larger awning with easier "mid-side" access. And I only need a couple slides, much of my enjoyment is outside.
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My wife and I are shopping for a "new to us" diesel pusher motorhome. We have a strong dislike of the "bus style" front door entry, and are wondering if we are alone in this (as the prevalence of front doors on newer coaches would suggest) or are there others who feel this way as well. Of those who prefer front entry, I would ask: Would you please explain the addvantages to me? As to why I dislike front doors:
1. They interfere with the passenger seat by placing the hole in the floor where feet should be (even an automatic cover leaves an uneven floor).
2. The passenger seat winds up offset to the rear such that two people are no longer seated side by side with each other in a companionable fashion.
3. Should the driver want to exit the coach during a brief stop to check on the rig etc. he must climb over/disturb the passenger to do so, as driver's doors seem to have become extinct.
4. They go against typical architectural traffic flow: When was the last time you were in someone's home, and, to leave the living room, you had to go to the far corner of the room and around the back of a recliner to get out the front door?!
5. This last point is particularly pertinent as in a motorhome, with the kitchen virtually always in the middle, and a patio under an awning, again in the center of the coach, the trip from the lounge chair to the fridge doubles in length. I guess they feel we need the excercise!
I would love to hear any and all views on this subject.
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1. They interfere with the passenger seat by placing the hole in the floor where feet should be (even an automatic cover leaves an uneven floor).
Not in my current MH or any of the 3 other DP I have owned

2. The passenger seat winds up offset to the rear such that two people are no longer seated side by side with each other in a companionable fashion.
Same answer as # 1 above

3. Should the driver want to exit the coach during a brief stop to check on the rig etc. he must climb over/disturb the passenger to do so, as driver's doors seem to have become extinct.
I guess walking past my partner is disbursing her, I don't ever remember having to climb over anyone

4. They go against typical architectural traffic flow: When was the last time you were in someone's home, and, to leave the living room, you had to go to the far corner of the room and around the back of a recliner to get out the front door?!
Just plain silly - the architectural layout of my home is nothing like that of my MH. IE I don't have to go through the kitchen to get to the bathroom and/or bedroom in my home.

5. This last point is particularly pertinent as in a motorhome, with the kitchen virtually always in the middle, and a patio under an awning, again in the center of the coach, the trip from the lounge chair to the fridge doubles in length. I guess they feel we need the excercise!
I see a trip of 30 feet is unacceptably long compared to a trip of 15 feet.

I have had both and the extra usable space (for a slide etc) is well worth all the hardships you foresee in not having central door.

But of course you are free to have a rant anytime you want to

Have a nice day

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To each their own. I really like the front door since it gives us more space in the living room (slide and wall storage). Our 2 seats are level in the front and the step cover comes up level with the floor for driving. Hubby can easily walk past without me getting up, although I don't mind doing so. When in camp we swivel round the 2 front chairs and have a cozy living space with no door in the middle of the "living room". Overall I'd choose the same again.
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