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Old 11-17-2011, 09:31 AM   #43
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Got the word this morning that HR822 was passed.

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Got the word this morning that HR822 was passed.

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Yes, but unfortunately it was the easy hurdle. I can't see it making it all the way. I mean does anyone really expect this President to sign it?
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I believe his signature is only required for a veto. If he does nothing it should go into law.

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I believe his signature is only required for a veto. If he does nothing it should go into law.

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OK, this is starting to get political, but since the following deals with government process, not political parties, we'll see if it sticks or not.

From Wikipedia (I know, not the greatest source, but....)

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A pocket veto is a legislative maneuver in United States federal lawmaking that allows the President to indirectly veto a bill.

The U.S. Constitution limits the President's period for decision on whether to sign or veto any legislation to ten days (not including Sundays) while the United States Congress is in session. If the President does nothing during this period while Congress remains in session, the unsigned bill becomes law. However, if Congress cuts short this period by adjourning and the President does not sign the bill, then the bill dies. This latter outcome is known as the "pocket veto." Article 1, Section 7 of the U.S. Constitution states:
If any Bill shall not be returned by the President within ten days (Sundays excepted) after it shall have been presented to him, the same shall be a Law, in like manner as if he had signed it, unless the Congress by their Adjournment prevent its return, in which case it shall not be a Law.
Since Congress cannot vote while in adjournment, a pocket veto cannot be overridden (but see below). James Madison became the first president to use the pocket veto in 1812.
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I believe his signature is only required for a veto. If he does nothing it should go into law.

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No, all three branches must sign for a bill to become a law. If he vetoes it it requires a two thirds majority in both the house and senate.
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I have one question, where in Redlands did this happen?
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No, all three branches must sign for a bill to become a law. If he vetoes it it requires a two thirds majority in both the house and senate.
That would be both houses of Congress AND the President must sign. The three branches include the Judiciary, and they aren't involved at this stage.

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That would be both houses of Congress AND the President must sign. The three branches include the Judiciary, and they aren't involved at this stage.

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Forward camera: You'll need something with better resolution if you're gonna make a case and stick.

I placed night hawk cameras (day/night) front and rear of the house after being vandalized 3 times. The cops would do nothing and told me I'll need proof. So I got the wireless cameras (180 degrees front and 180 degrees rear, (3 camera pods) and a 500GB hard drive for continous recording. About 3 monts later, I caught one of the punks on video. He looked so stupid as he was starring right into the camera wondering if it was real or not. Yep... It was real, and I got him.

Here's the thing though, you need good resolution, otherwise, the court will thow it out. It doesn't have to be bank lobby quality, but needs to be good to better resolution.
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Old 11-17-2011, 10:35 AM   #52
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Forward camera: You'll need something with better resolution if you're gonna make a case and stick.
Very true. The company I work for has spent 10's of thousands of dollars on low res. cameras at our 39 plants trying to keep the vandals and thieves away. DVR's at all locations etc...all we can tell is what time we got violated and that it was two guys in a pickup, light in color. Absolutely worthless.
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Of course the better the defense lawyer, the higher the resolution required to convict, and don't even think about the gloves fitting?

Youse guys is like us up here in that you tend to elect lawyers into government positions and youse all know that lawyers are great for making work for other lawyers.

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There is a thread here about a dash camera.. I have a "nose camera" on my rig which can be recorded by the living room DVR (A 250 hour hard drive at low quality)

Imagine the fun the cops would have had if you handed them a DVD of say the last 10 minutes of your trip up to and including the shotgun blast.

A first class description of the car, and possibly a photo of the driver..

If the car comes from a 2-plate state (Those are getting rare) you have the license plate number as well.

I mean.. An investigating officer could have real fun with that kind of video.

My dad tells of a semi trucker back during the depression, He'd hauled a load of cattle to market and since the farmers trusted the mule skinner (Driver) more than they did the bankers (Question: Has anything changed since?) he was now hauling a load of CASH back to the farmers.. As he's going down the mountain a car pulls up, the shotgun appears "Drive like we tell you and nobody gets hurt!" Driver signals agreement (Salutes) and continues down the mountain.....

On one of the switch back curves.. Well, as you know (Cause we have the same problem) Semi's need to take those curves, epically right hand ones, a bit .. er, wider than you average sedan.. He took it so wide his outside duals were rubbing up on the guard rail

you know where that left Mr. Shotgun right.. (OVER HE EDGE) One assumes he figured out he'd been snookered and it was time to be shooting off his gun but alas........ Nothing but mountain to shoot at, and it was going past at a speed described by 32 feet per second, per second. (Normal 1G acceleration).

Driver gets to the little village at the bottom, Pulls up in front of the sheriff's office, tells his story and the sheriff says "Terrible how those cars try to take those corners too fast isn't it?" and so ended the investigation. Death due to speeding.
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That would be both houses of Congress AND the President must sign. The three branches include the Judiciary, and they aren't involved at this stage.

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I believe a bill that has passed both houses of congress, and presented to the president, will automatically become law after 10 days without his signature, providing congress is still in session during this 10 day period.

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Here is another in same area.
CHP says freeway shooting not linked to holdups - Times-Standard Online


CHP says freeway shooting not linked to holdups

The Associated Press
Posted: 10/12/2011 06:45:29 AM PDT


REDLANDS, Calif.—Authorities say the shooting of a motorist on a San Bernardino County freeway appears unrelated to a recent string of freeway robberies. A 42-year-old Anaheim man underwent surgery Monday night after he was wounded while sitting in his disabled pickup truck on the shoulder of Interstate 210 in Redlands. He's expected to recover.
No arrests have been made.
Authorities had looked into whether the assault was linked to five robberies and two shootings that took place last month along several interstates.
But the Riverside Press-Enterprise (REDLANDS: I-210 shooting believed unrelated to earlier incidents | Breaking News | PE.com - The Press-Enterprise) says investigators don't believe there's a connection.
California Highway Patrol Officer Mario Lopez says that violent spree appeared to end after a couple of days. He also says the reported getaway vehicle was different.
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Information from: The Press-Enterprise, http://www.pe.com
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