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Old 11-17-2011, 01:45 PM   #57
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I believe a bill that has passed both houses of congress, and presented to the president, will automatically become law after 10 days without his signature, providing congress is still in session during this 10 day period.

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True, but if he didn't want it to pass he would need to take action. By not signing it, it simply means he wants it...not likely for this administration.
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:51 PM   #58
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All the more reason to get off the stick and actively push for passage of HR 822, which is already on its way.

Seems the bad guys are everywhere.
This may be a realy dumb question, but what is HR822??
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Old 11-17-2011, 01:59 PM   #59
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Has anyone noticed that almost ALL of the amendments effectively nullify the bill?

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Amendment No. 1—Rep. Woodall (R-GA): This amendment would protect the rights of states that already have reciprocal agreements in place for the concealed carry of firearms to continue enforcing those preexisting agreements.
Amendment No. 2—Rep. McCarthy (D-NY): This amendment would specify that the legislation can only go into effect in states that have passed legislation enacting the bill.
Amendment No. 3—Rep. Hastings (D-FL): This amendment would exempt states from issuing a carry permit on the basis of state reciprocity which do not require individuals to apply for and complete a carry permit application in person.
Amendment No. 4—Rep. Jackson Lee (D-TX): This amendment would require a state to create a comprehensive database to contain all permits and licenses issued by the state for carrying a concealed weapon and make this comprehensive database available to law enforcement officers from all states 24 hours a day.
Amendment No. 5—Rep. Conyers (D-MI): This amendment would effectively gut the bill by “preserving” state laws with respect to eligibility for concealed-carry.
Amendment No. 6—Rep. Johnson (D-GA): This amendment would require the possession or carrying of a concealed handgun in a state to be subject to “any law of the state that limits the eligibility to possess or carry a concealed handgun to persons who have received firearm safety training that includes a live-fire exercise.’’
Amendment No. 7—Rep. Cohen (D-TN): This amendment would exempt from the bill any state law requiring a person to be at least 21 years of age to possess or carry a concealed handgun.
Amendment No. 8—Rep. Jackson Lee (D-TX): This amendment would require a person intending to carry or possess a concealed handgun in a state to inform that state’s law enforcement of their intentions at least 24 hours prior.
Amendment No. 9—Rep. Cicilline (D-RI): This amendment would limit the bill from taking effect in a state until the State Attorney General, head of the State police, and the Secretary of State have jointly certified that the other state’s carry laws are substantially similar to its own licensing or permitting requirements.
Amendment No. 10—Rep. Reichert (R-WA): This amendment would require a Government Accountability Office (GAO) study on the ability of state and local law enforcement authorities to verify the validity of out-of-state concealed firearms permits.
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:23 PM   #60
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Looks like they are trying to amend this thing to death...
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Old 11-17-2011, 02:40 PM   #61
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How many of those amendments actually made it into the bill?

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This may be a realy dumb question, but what is HR822??
Let me google that for you
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While the fate of HR822 can effect RV'rs, the subject of this post is not about that bill nor the process/procedure of passing a bill or speculating about it. Let's not continue down this road.

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As of right now there are 3 differant threads in this one. To answer the HR 822 question here is the offical NRA statement you can look it up if you have more questions.

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National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Legislation

The U.S. House of Representatives has passed an important self-defense measure that would enable millions of Right-to-Carry permit holders across the country to carry concealed firearms while traveling outside their home states. H.R. 822, the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act, passed by a majority bipartisan vote of 272 to 154. All amendments aimed to weaken or damage the integrity of this bill were defeated.

“NRA has made the National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act a priority because it enhances the fundamental right to self-defense guaranteed to all law-abiding people,” said Chris W. Cox, executive director of NRA’s Institute for Legislative Action. “People are not immune from crime when they cross state lines. That is why it is vital for them to be able to defend themselves and their loved ones should the need arise.”

H.R. 822, introduced in the U.S. House by Representatives Cliff Stearns (R-Fla.) and Heath Shuler (D-N.C.), allows any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes.

This bill does not affect existing state laws. State laws governing where concealed firearms may be carried would apply within each state’s borders. H.R. 822 does not create a federal licensing system or impose federal standards on state permits; rather, it requires the states to recognize each others' carry permits, just as they recognize drivers' licenses and carry permits held by armored car guards.

As of today, 49 states have laws in place that permit their citizens to carry a concealed firearm in some form. Only Illinois and the District of Columbia deny its residents the right to carry concealed firearms outside their homes or businesses for self-defense.

“We are grateful for the support of Speaker Boehner, Majority Leader Cantor, Majority Whip McCarthy, Judiciary Chairman Smith and primary sponsors Congressmen Stearns and Shuler for their steadfast support of H.R. 822. Thanks to the persistence of millions of American gun owners and NRA members, Congress has moved one step closer to improving crucial self-defense laws in this country,” concluded Cox.
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I travel in the City of Redlands,CA quite often. I am on the freeway not a surface street. But something like that could happen anywhere, anytime. I try not to offend anyone. But on the otherhand, there are a lot of CRAZY people out there.
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All the more reason to get off the stick and actively push for passage of HR 822, which is already on its way.

Seems the bad guys are everywhere.
House has passed it. Senate hopefully will pass it.
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I travel in the City of Redlands,CA quite often. I am on the freeway not a surface street. But something like that could happen anywhere, anytime. I try not to offend anyone. But on the otherhand, there are a lot of CRAZY people out there.
Yes.. but in most places, it'll happen once..
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I became tired of crazies passing, cutting right in front, slamming on brakes and turning right, so I bought Car Cameras | Dash Cams | Car Camera | Vehicle Cameras.

I am amazed at the clarity, and although it is mounted in my car, I will probably get one for the RV as well. I think it is an invaluable tool.

(Okay, it won't keep crazies from cutting right in front, but at least I get to yell at them again when I watch it on the computer.
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