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Old 05-24-2018, 06:17 AM   #1
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Newbie with question on trailer

We have a 2016 Expedition EL (131 inch wheel base) and are thinking about buying a trailer.

The Ford has a tow rating of 8,800lbs and weights about 6000lbs. Was thinking of buying a 26ft trailer that weights about 5000lbs.

I was wondering if this is a "safe" combination? Any other ideas, suggestions or other info is greatly welcomed. Thanks
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Is 5000 the dry weight or GVWR?
Never base anything on the dry weight, because no one travels with an empty trailer.
If the 5000 lbs is the GVWR, that's sounds ok, but someone here will know more.
You also have to figure tongue weight and payload.
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Is 5000 the dry weight or GVWR?
Never base anything on the dry weight, because no one travels with an empty trailer.
If the 5000 lbs is the GVWR, that's sounds ok, but someone here will know more.
You also have to figure tongue weight and payload.
4300 is the GVWR on the travel trailer. I'm figuring on about 700lbs of "Junk" in the trailer...the plan would be to travel without water and attempt to dump blackwater before we leave each campsite to save weight.

The suv is going carry 2 adults, 4 children...with other supplies, I'm guessing the SUV payload to be about 1000lbs. I haven't checked the tongue weight on the Ford yet.

Thanks for the reply
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I think that's a good enough margin, but wait for a few more replies before you sign papers.
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You will be fine with that. Even tongue weight. Tongue weight capacity is calculated when towing weight is set too.
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Old 05-24-2018, 08:33 AM   #6
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4300 is the GVWR on the travel trailer. I'm figuring on about 700lbs of "Junk" in the trailer...the plan would be to travel without water and attempt to dump blackwater before we leave each campsite to save weight.

The suv is going carry 2 adults, 4 children...with other supplies, I'm guessing the SUV payload to be about 1000lbs. I haven't checked the tongue weight on the Ford yet.

Thanks for the reply
you might be pushing payload... figure about 600 pds tongue +hitch. that only leaves 400 pounds for 6 people and u havent got gas or any big gulps yet.

id check actual payload. should be a sticker on dtivers side b pillar
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4300 is the GVWR on the travel trailer. I'm figuring on about 700lbs of "Junk" in the trailer...the plan would be to travel without water and attempt to dump blackwater before we leave each campsite to save weight.

The suv is going carry 2 adults, 4 children...with other supplies, I'm guessing the SUV payload to be about 1000lbs. I haven't checked the tongue weight on the Ford yet.

Thanks for the reply
Shouldn't be a problem if the trailer's gvwr is 4300 lbs. Are you sure the 4300 is gvwr and not empty weight? Either way, you're probably in good shape as long as you don't overload the gvwr of either vehicle. Proper equipment would be needed and you would need to make sure tongue weight was in the correct range of around 10%..

The minimum gcwr of the Expedition is 12,300. That rating shows a 6,600 maximum trailer weight. You've stated that yours is rated 8,800 lbs but i don't see that number listed. The Ford chart shows the 9,200 lb tow rating with a 15,100 lb gcwr.

Your 6,000 empty weight, plus 1,000 cargo weight, plus hitch weight of around 600 lbs, comes out to around 7,600 lbs total weight of the Expedition. Maximum payload shows to be around 1,600 lbs so you would be at the limit with this total. That leaves about 7,500 lbs for towing. You would need to check but i'm fairly certain 7,500 lbs would be well above the trailer's listed gvwr.

Here's the Ford ratings chart for the 2016 Expedition:

https://www.ford.com/resources/ford/...tion_sep28.pdf

Me, I wouldn't want to cut it too close. Staying at least 1000 lbs below maximum ratings would be my goal. Another thing I might think about would be the shorter wheel base of the Expedition. I imagine it'll handle alright but you might see if you can find information and recommendations concerning that.
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Check the GVWR of the Expedition. If you can stay close or under that weight with everything in the SUV plus the tongue weight of the trailer you will be ok (ish). Or you can use the cargo capacity yellow sticker on the drivers side door jam also.

The next thing to check will be your tires. Make sure they can also carry the weight. If they can make sure they are inflated to carry the weight.

Good luck
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you might be pushing payload... figure about 600 pds tongue +hitch. that only leaves 400 pounds for 6 people and u havent got gas or any big gulps yet.

id check actual payload. should be a sticker on dtivers side b pillar
Payload is 1700...but I'm worried my cargo is going to be a little on the "overloaded" side. 1000lbs might be wishful thinking.

Thanks for the replies....might be looking for a smaller trailer and or pop up.
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Hi ! Welcome to IRV2! We're sure glad you joined the gang!

I'm not qualified to advise you on the trailer thingy!

Good luck, happy trails, and God bless!
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You'd be surprised how the poundage adds up. Thinking only 700 lb in the trailer is way on the low side.
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Ditto what others have said. You never want to push the limit of the Expedition. Plus upgrading tires is important. The more you pull the harder it is to stop etc. I would be very careful not to get it all too close, I would back off a bit like others have said.
Looking at a camper with a little less weight might be ideal, gives you leeway on the payload. Twogypsies is right, it adds up very fast.
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payload is always the limiting factor. look in the drivers door and see what is says for payload/cargo capacity on your truck not from a generic chart. a 5000 lb camper will have roughly 500 lbs of tongue weight. add 100 pounds for w/d sway hitch, the weight of all your passengers, and the weight of the stuff you will be carrying in the truck. if all this is less than your cargo capacity you are good if not it is iffy.
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We bought a used travel trailer from Camping World in Atlanta. Good walk through when we took delivery. However when we set it up the afternoon we purchased we noticed one slide would not go all the way out on one side. Immediately called them and they said bring it in in the morning. Fixed it with no question asked and we were gone before noon. they robed the parts from a new trailer to fix ours.
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