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Old 09-15-2016, 06:45 AM   #15
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all so true,

Ohio state parks.. NO Beer or other types of drinks allowed.. signs everywhere.

and site hosts openly have beer in there hands doing grounds duty.
and many campers do also.

beer cans on the ground, next to the empty recycle can containers.

Dogs, do campers try to train there dogs..?

I may stop using Ohio state parks and try commercial owned.
the state parks are very nice.. lots of site space and greenery .. people not so much.
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  • Open Carry is disconcerting for many campers (including hosts) - especially those campers with children. Interestingly enough, Missouri State Parks allow open-carry, but do not allow the discharge of firearms in their parks. Why bring a gun?.
Uhhh... because you don't know when you're going to need it?

My suggestion is learning to deal with it. MO just passed a "constitutional carry" law, too, so you're likely to see more of it.

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We were just @ Mill Creek in Canton, Tx and there were 'semi-fulltimers' that were living there while building their house...

Two dogs that they let run around unleashed despite the rules... whenever we took our less than social dog out, we would have to step outside to see if the dogs were out...

And having had a large Lab before I could tell where the large piles of 'yeck' came from,
so since we like to walk around our campsites, we picked it all up and tossed the bags onto their site...
I'm sure the hint was not taken
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[/LIST]Uhhh... because you don't know when you're going to need it?

My suggestion is learning to deal with it. MO just passed a "constitutional carry" law, too, so you're likely to see more of it.

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and I think that is a great thing - defenseless is not a defense
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We just got back from a 6 week stint at Camp Hosting (108 sites) in one of our National Parks and loved it..... It was a first come first serve campground and after about 3 days we decided to take control of the "Tags". We had a few groups that would come in and grab 5 or 10 tags and go around and remove Tags that were legitimate and replace them with theirs until they decided on which campsite they wanted. Yes it did cause fights...

Once we took control of the "Tags" it was oh so much mellower...


Then "WE" controlled the campground and "Not" let the campground control us...

Yes it was a lot of work but we really enjoyed meeting people all over the world
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I have a concern that the guy with a cigarette in his mouth and a beer in his hand who can't see a trashcan in front of his face is going to suddenly become a rational marksman.

Call me crazy.
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This year we stayed at a COE park in Missouri, wonderful place and great fishing. A group rented the group site at the far end of the park. Saturday afternoon a car went flying through the park (sheriff) followed by the park ranger and then the camp host and another sheriff car. The group was escorted out of the park. The park host told me a couple got into a fight and he pulled a gun out of the car and shot his wife with it. The good thing is, it was a BB gun. After that I started wearing mine and it is not a BB gun. I carry most of the time for mine and my family's protection not for the protection of others.
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This year we stayed at a COE park in Missouri, wonderful place and great fishing. A group rented the group site at the far end of the park. Saturday afternoon a car went flying through the park (sheriff) followed by the park ranger and then the camp host and another sheriff car. The group was escorted out of the park. The park host told me a couple got into a fight and he pulled a gun out of the car and shot his wife with it. The good thing is, it was a BB gun. After that I started wearing mine and it is not a BB gun. I carry most of the time for mine and my family's protection not for the protection of others.

At a COE park it'll get you in trouble , doesn't matter what state .
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I have a concern that the guy with a cigarette in his mouth and a beer in his hand who can't see a trashcan in front of his face is going to suddenly become a rational marksman.

Call me crazy.
So Cigarettes, Beer and Firearms are something you have an issue with..
Easy fix, don't buy tobacco, don't buy beer, don't buy a firearm....done, oh, and don't disrespect those that do by singling them out, that's there choice!
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At a COE park it'll get you in trouble , doesn't matter what state .
Yes, how well I know. We did not leave the camp site after that and left the next day.
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So Cigarettes, Beer and Firearms are something you have an issue with..
Easy fix, don't buy tobacco, don't buy beer, don't buy a firearm....done, oh, and don't disrespect those that do by singling them out, that's there choice!
Apparently you did not read the initial post. I did not say I had a problem with any of these things. Do I use them? No. Do I care if others use them? No.

With regards to cigarettes, what I said was that the sloppiest (or dirtiest) campsites were those which also had lots of cigarette butts scattered about. There may be many cigarette smokers who clean their sites perfectly which would mean I wouldn't know they were smokers.

I also said that beer drinkers seem to ignore the recycle bins and just throw their cans in the trash (or the general direction of the trash). There may be others that pack their cans out and recycle at home, in which case they are not the ones referred to.

Actually my initial point about guns was that a guy with a gun on his hip can be very disconcerting to many campers, particularly parents. Would I really feel my kids were safe if a guy I didn't know was wandering about the campground with his sidearm? Actually, I think I would want my children to stay as far away from that guy as possible. A second point made was that discharging a firearm in a Missouri State Park is illegal, so, even though it is is legal, why bother carrying one in the park?

At no time did I purport to "have an issue with" Cigarettes, Beer and Firearms. You seem to be very defensive about these items.
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Apparently you did not read the initial post. I did not say I had a problem with any of these things. Do I use them? No. Do I care if others use them? No.

With regards to cigarettes, what I said was that the sloppiest (or dirtiest) campsites were those which also had lots of cigarette butts scattered about. There may be many cigarette smokers who clean their sites perfectly which would mean I wouldn't know they were smokers.

I also said that beer drinkers seem to ignore the recycle bins and just throw their cans in the trash (or the general direction of the trash). There may be others that pack their cans out and recycle at home, in which case they are not the ones referred to.

Actually my initial point about guns was that a guy with a gun on his hip can be very disconcerting to many campers, particularly parents. Would I really feel my kids were safe if a guy I didn't know was wandering about the campground with his sidearm? Actually, I think I would want my children to stay as far away from that guy as possible. A second point made was that discharging a firearm in a Missouri State Park is illegal, so, even though it is is legal, why bother carrying one in the park?

At no time did I purport to "have an issue with" Cigarettes, Beer and Firearms. You seem to be very defensive about these items.
I wasn't referring to the original post but the one I responded to...Defensive about a choice someone has made, that's there right, of course you can NOT discharge a firearm in that park (target practice etc) perfectly legal if your life is in danger though!
You don't feel safety for your kids when you see a person open carrying, your choice, of course if a person had a knife to your throat "where's the person with the firearm"....
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Actually my initial point about guns was that a guy with a gun on his hip can be very disconcerting to many campers, particularly parents. Would I really feel my kids were safe if a guy I didn't know was wandering about the campground with his sidearm? Actually, I think I would want my children to stay as far away from that guy as possible. A second point made was that discharging a firearm in a Missouri State Park is illegal, so, even though it is is legal, why bother carrying one in the park?
The reason to carry under those circumstances is that some people actually break laws and do things like rob and steal and shoot up people where they feel there will be no armed response. Just think about Orlando, Paris, San Bernardino.

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